“If you want a manual M, you need to buy it now.”

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by No one

No, I won't. Nor the smell.



Many people downplay the importance of MT because it is a thing that matters.



There are many other things that are as much or even more important than whether one is driving a sportscar.



Many disable-bodied can drive an AT.



Just choose a MT!



You won't want to see what AT drivers do.



This is what made them choose AT.

LOL what a bunch of non-answers. There are some awful drivers whatever tranny they drive, but it seems like only certain MTers are sanctimonious about their fake self-perceived superiority; it's not a great skill, I've learned way back when I got my licence @16

If you wanna feel a throbbing vibrating stick, go w MT, you're definitely more *in touch* w the car, I'd give you that hahha. If you want better steering feel and control and not have micro cuts to throttle, go w the best there is: DCT. Time has moved on.

EDIT: you didn't havta multiquote me man, wth, much ado about nothing, much like the stick

[No one]

Originally Posted by tranquility

LOL what a bunch of non-answers.

I didn't notice any questions.

Originally Posted by tranquility

There are some awful drivers whatever tranny they drive

No, that's simply unbelievable!!!

Originally Posted by tranquility

it seems like only certain MTers are sanctimonious about their fake self-perceived superiority

Many ATers seem proud of driving faster with trannies they neither designed, nor built or even programmed, only bought. Some second splitters!

Originally Posted by tranquility

it's not a great skill, I've learned way back

You can improve it still.

Originally Posted by tranquility

If you wanna feel a throbbing vibrating stick, go w MT, you're definitely more *in touch* w the car

No, it doesn't throb or vibrate these days (any noticeably, at least). You see, you've missed all your fun!

Originally Posted by tranquility

If you want better steering feel and control

iDrive input control? And a softer seat, too!

Originally Posted by tranquility

Time has moved on.

To electric driverless touch-screen cars.

Originally Posted by tranquility

much ado about nothing, much like the stick

Still better than nothing to do about much, like the AT.

[tranquility]

Regret that logic hurts too much for you.. ...and some MTers have such fragile egos lol.

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Regret that logic hurts too much for you.. ...and some MTers have such fragile egos lol.

You're pretty good with the logical fallacies. Some people want a stick because it's more fun. You don't, and that's cool. No need to defend it, or make up reasons why other's do.

[BMWCCA1]

Originally Posted by tranquility

If you wanna feel a throbbing vibrating stick, go w MT, you're definitely more *in touch* w the car, I'd give you that hahha. If you want better steering feel and control and not have micro cuts to throttle, go w the best there is: DCT. Time has moved on.

EDIT: you didn't havta multiquote me man, wth, much ado about nothing, much like the stick

Are you sure you're old enough to even have a license?

This thread has now descended into the realm of an elementary-school argument.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

You're pretty good with the logical fallacies. Some people want a stick because it's more fun. You don't, and that's cool. No need to defend it, or make up reasons why other's do.

You're right, but the other side dishes it out all the time so it's only fair

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by BMWCCA1

Are you sure you're old enough to even have a license?

This thread has now descended into the realm of an elementary-school argument.

I think I do, yep.

Nothing I said was wrong though, like I said, personal preferences but some of those dudes go nuts so it's time to hear from others.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

well writing is on the wall, death of ICE will go hand in hand with death of gears

ICE ain't dead. The technocrats and New Normalists want it dead, but all the EV propaganda in the world can't sell EVs or the Great Reset.


As much as I love manuals, the ZF 8er has made me question if I'd go manual again anyways.

I guess I would for a pure sports car. But IDK.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by Neusser

ICE ain't dead. The technocrats and New Normalists want it dead, but all the EV propaganda in the world can't sell EVs or the Great Reset.


As much as I love manuals, the ZF 8er has made me question if I'd go manual again anyways.

I guess I would for a pure sports car. But IDK.

i mean sooner or later, it will likely happen not in my lifetime but seems the way barring a major distruption

[No one]

Originally Posted by Neusser

As much as I love manuals, the ZF 8er has made me question if I'd go manual again anyways.

You don't love them. Don't worry. I drove a 3 Series loaner with the ZF 8er. You've just made me wonder how that could have raised a question.

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Ya, every now and then we have threads like this and ofc everyone's different bla bla bla, but just like exhaust sound, many ppl overexaggerate the importance of MT, like it's the only thing that matters, when there are many other things that are as much or even more important when one is driving a sportscar. Any able-bodied person can drive a MT, don't make it sound like it's a crazy skill, and I bet if there's a hidden cam in ppl's cars, lots of these supposedly 'amazing' drivers have horrible form and don't even know what they're doing most of the time.

There are actually very few left that know how to drive a stick which is one of the reasons there are so few left. Those of us that can and do are pretty good at it….. a stick is far from all that matters but it’s a deal breaker for me on a sports car. If u don’t like them enjoy your auto

[No one]

Originally Posted by No one

I drove a 3 Series loaner with the ZF 8er.

Of course I meant 8-speed AT from ZF, not a 8 Series with a ZF if that could be an ambiguity (especially as ZF makes manual transmissions as well).

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Ya, every now and then we have threads like this and ofc everyone's different bla bla bla, but just like exhaust sound, many ppl overexaggerate the importance of MT, like it's the only thing that matters, when there are many other things that are as much or even more important when one is driving a sportscar. Any able-bodied person can drive a MT, don't make it sound like it's a crazy skill, and I bet if there's a hidden cam in ppl's cars, lots of these supposedly 'amazing' drivers have horrible form and don't even know what they're doing most of the time.

Any able bodied person can drive an automatic transmission'd BMW M-car. Don't make it sound like you are someone special because you can buy an over-priced, over-powered, over-weight, street car. LOL.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Any able bodied person can drive an automatic transmission'd BMW M-car. Don't make it sound like you are someone special because you can buy an over-priced, over-powered, over-weight, street car. LOL.

We are joking but hey, modern cars are getting crazy heavy. I mentioned the latest M2...what is that, like over 1,700kgs or something?

I remember the outrage when my 2nd gen Z4 replaced the first gen cuz it's heavier. Now, it's like BMW's Speciale version compared to that lol.

For the record, I have a Lotus/MX-5/Miata mindset, I couldn't care less about insane 1,000hp and the crazy wt that comes w it and the engine having 32 cylinders, etc. I prefer handling above all else.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by tranquility

We are joking but hey, modern cars are getting crazy heavy. I mentioned the latest M2...what is that, like over 1,700kgs or something?

I remember the outrage when my 2nd gen Z4 replaced the first gen cuz it's heavier. Now, it's like BMW's Speciale version compared to that lol.

For the record, I have a Lotus/MX-5/Miata mindset, I couldn't care less about insane 1,000hp and the crazy wt that comes w it and the engine having 32 cylinders, etc. I prefer handling above all else.

I'm the same. When I was looking hard at buying an E90 moving from a 2-door E30, I did a weight calculation based on passenger volume and footprint. BMW pretty much kept the lightweight ethos even up to the E90. The weight/volume ratio is nearly the same between the E30 and the E90. It was acceptable to me because I was looking for a larger 4-door 3-series.

The E86 Coupe is fantastic IMO. Light and extremely stiff. 265 HP N52 in a short, wide chassis.

Running track with a 4,000-pound M3 seems a bit dumb to me.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm the same. When I was looking hard at buying an E90 moving from a 2-door E30, I did a weight calculation based on passenger volume and footprint. BMW pretty much kept the lightweight ethos even up to the E90. The weight/volume ratio is nearly the same between the E30 and the E90. It was acceptable to me because I was looking for a larger 4-door 3-series.

The E86 Coupe is fantastic IMO. Light and extremely stiff. 265 HP N52 in a short, wide chassis.

Running track with a 4,000-pound M3 seems a bit dumb to me.

Ya, it's about power-to-wt but if the wt gets crazy, I don't care how much power one has, it may be less noticeable on straights but one will definitely feel it rounding corners. I dunno why ppl would go for behemoths like Bentleys. They have crazy power but also crazy wt to match...doesn't make sense to ppl like me, might as well just get a Rolls, sit in the back and be done w it.

I mentioned this before as I was lusting after an E86 but bad timing when I actually was ready to buy new, so got the E89. Always loved the first gen. My car's still nice but I love small(er) cars.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Ya, it's about power-to-wt but if the wt gets crazy, I don't care how much power one has, it may be less noticeable on straights but one will definitely feel it rounding corners. I dunno why ppl would go for behemoths like Bentleys. They have crazy power but also crazy wt to match...doesn't make sense to ppl like me, might as well just get a Rolls, sit in the back and be done w it.

I mentioned this before as I was lusting after an E86 but bad timing when I actually was ready to buy new, so got the E89. Always loved the first gen. My car's still nice but I love small(er) cars.

Same here. Many people don't care about actual driving, I would say.

Especially in the US, the muscle car approach has its fans. Not for me. I like power, but nothing replaces handling and appropriate weight for the chassis.