03-11-2020, 11:34 AM | #1 |
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Current BMW oil grade
It seems that the BMW oil supplier has changed over time, so does anybody know what the current grade being used by BMW for the S63 engine is?
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03-11-2020, 12:11 PM | #2 |
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The dealership/OEM oil is provided by Pennzoil/Shell. It comes in 2 known grades in the US 0-30 and 5-30. When you buy it, make sure you receive the LL-01 or LL-01 FE spec. The front label should have the word "Gasoline" under "Twin Power Turbo". For suburban and highway driving, I recommend 0-30. If you're constantly revving the motor, then go with 5-30. In all cases, do not rev over 3000 rpms until oil temp is around 200 degrees. You'll need 10 bottles. 9.5 is the capacity for pan and filter housing.
Confusingly, the OEM diesel oils, has similar bottles and grades but diesel is labeled with LL-04. Front lable says "Diesel" on it. There exists at least one other LL-01 dealership oil, a 10-60 grade. That is not the correct oil, it is used for the last few generation NA I6, V8 and V10 M motors for M3/5/6 and Z8. That oil was barely sufficient for the S65/85 motors...but I digress.
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I believe the first tic mark on the oil temp gauge is about 200 degrees
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Holy cow thats crazy I always wondered why it took so long for the car to get full temp thanks
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03-12-2020, 07:37 AM | #9 |
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Just got back from my local indy who did an oil change. Used 5w30 always and interestingly advises oil changes at 3-4k. Works on BMW and Porsche almost exclusively.
I was in there at 4k and he says oil looked good but thinks that should be the ceiling on intervals. I drive it 100 miles a week and it has never been tracked. He believes engine issues have a lot to do with late oil changes - just something to keep in mind! |
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03-12-2020, 11:57 AM | #10 |
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this is true, also consider steeping up the viscosity too. there have been many failed engines from bearing wear, not as bad as the S65/85, but still present when driving the car. I run 5w-40 liqui moly molygen currently, and am considering going to redline 5w-50 for the next change.
Mikerx5 is completely correct in saying the oil change interval on these cars is too long from factory, 3-4 is the real interval with 4k being high. the oil is significantly burnt by that point.
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I have never even heard of it until getting an M. I outlined the way it is driven above, and my indy said he uses what BMW does... what does it do? |
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Ditto PLM. BMW did a switcheroo from past generations and changed the coolant temp gauge to an oil temp gauge. But I think they've started going back to a coolant temp gauge on some of the new G series. So it's best to pay attention to the little icon...if its an oil tin w/thermometer sticking out vs squiggly lines (representing water) w/thermometer sticking out.
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Based on the chart from the TIS website it looks like 9.5 liters (if you need help to convert to quarts...google for a converter). The S63TU probably uses the same amount of oil regardless if it is in the F10 or the F06/F12/F13...because its the same for the other V8 engines (N63TU & N63):
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You correct, it's 9.5 bottles. An prepackaged change kit from ECS or FCP comes with 10 botlles. I'll change my post.
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Sure, but, bearing clearance, type of oil, and warm up behavior is just as important.
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I just ordered 2 5L bottles of the Motul SPECIFIC LL-01 FE 5W-30 to do an interim oil change between routine changes at the dealer, so that should be about perfect for a complete fill.
Side note, has anyone used the Motul? It seems there are next to no LL-01 FE oils available in the US, and BMW specifically state that LL-01 (non-FE) can only be used for topping up. I like Liqui Moly in general, but don't want to risk any warranty issues by using something other than what BMW mandates. |
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If ECS & FCP are sending quarts in their kits...then that would be correct. I believe the conversion from 9.5 liters is equivalent to a little over 10 quarts. So you’re not incorrect if their kits is what’s familiar to you.
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It's amazing this engine holds so much oil. The E90M3 I came from hell only 8.75. And that car had a front sump.
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Bearing tolerance is not in your control. It's the overall design of the bearing and the amount of clearance that has to allow oil flow for lubrication. A theory of why the S65 and s85 motors all had premature bearing wear was that BMW designed it with very tight tolerances. And it was difficult to get a proper oil that provides good flow during the cold startup stage and also provide proper lubrication for the higher temperature requirements of a high revving engine. They designed the TWS 1060 oil, which was basically a compromised oil or high performance driving, but most of the owners were street driving the car anyways. Many owners ended up using 0-40 for street cars. I'm not surprised that our M cars uses the same grade as non-M motors now. I think if you're actually taking the car to a track, You're going to need a heavier grade oil. But warm up is even more important with those type of oils. One downside of using the current dealership oil is just the burn rate. Which in my opinion is acceptable given all the compromises the car has to have. Just to give you an idea what I'm talking about, Google pictures or articles or videos of the oil used for formula 1 race motors. I heard that those oil had to be heated separately outside of the car and then injected into the motor right prior to starting up the car. Basically those oils are so much less viscous at low temperatures that it would damage the motor if it was actually started in the car.
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after getting some oil analysis back from blackstone on the oem oil, liqui moly liechlauf 5w-40, and molygen 5w-40, they all have a high failure rate at operating temperature in the s63tu, the notes on my oil reports are that the oil is thinning out at operating temp. the 30 weight acts more like a 20 weight at temp, and the 40 more like a 30 at temp
my next plan is to try out the redline 5w-50. its used in the DOHC mustangs. it has a really good sheer strength. there are plenty of issues with the engines from a design aspect, but dont lose sleep over it.
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I idle long enough to get my seat belt on and then I'm off at a moderate driving style...paying attention to the engine and transmission. If it's really cold weather and the engine is revving high...I may give it a few seconds to settle down...but again that only takes usually less than 30 seconds. From my f06 owners manual:
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