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07-10-2012, 04:02 AM | #23 | |
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You are NOT getting a Bentley GTv8 for $150k and I assume you haven't actually driven the GT, v8 or otherwise. It doesn't feel as good as a 650i when driving let alone what the M6(probably) feels like. I've driven the GT coupe and convertible extensively, (never owned either) and people pay attention, (something I could care less about because I'm not that vain) but IMO, when compared to a 650i the GT loses. I'm not talking about subjective things like looks of the interior and exterior, I'm talking about package against package. People have the preconceived notion that if a car cost $xxx it has to be the best and better, (they can't explain why they feel that way or believe what they believe) than a car that cost $xx. I'm here to tell you, that is not true. |
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07-10-2012, 02:47 PM | #28 |
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The 6 is a GT car. Period. The M version of it is just what the car ought to be be in its basic form anyway to compete with Aston et al. From what I've seen, once you get above an M5, M means little other More revenue for BMW.
If BMW want to produce a big, powerful car/truck, then just make one. Save the "M" designation for things that truly can carry the sporting mantle. Top speeds, acceleration, cornering g-forces etc. just don't seem all that important really in a wingless 2.5 ton vehicle of any sort.
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07-11-2012, 12:18 AM | #29 |
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I's funny how most people who are saying this new M6 doesn't deserve the M badge can't afford to buy one. The M6 is a car for people who wants to show off that they have money and don't care if the car can do laps in record breaking times. BMW know their targeted customers and that's why they offer the M6.
I don't understand all the outcry about the weight of the car when so many people cry for an M7 to be made. |
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07-11-2012, 05:30 AM | #30 | |
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If you're espousing and endorsing BMW's stance that the M6 is targeting a different audience to traditional M-buyers, and is veered more as a super-GT, then why go through the expensive pain of acquiring and running one, when arguably the ultimate GT in the range would be the 640d which has supercar performance with hatchback economy? And you can add the M-Sport and or/ the optional active damper package for an edgier drive? I've sensed BMW drivers/owners (of which I'm one) are slightly lacking in humour and react quite strongly to the feintest whim of criticism. |
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07-11-2012, 08:41 AM | #31 | |
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I think you're getting a little emotional. It was not a strong or angry response I simply responded to your comment. If you meant it as some form of humor a smiley face would help denote that since no one on the Internet can see your face or hear your voice in order to detect your intentions. Whether you meant it as figurative or literal you used the same scenario in both of your post, 640d vs M6. Whats the pain of aquiring and running a M6 over a 640d, cash, gas mileage ? If you cant afford it dont buy just that simple. I don't consider a 640d the ultimate 6 but i guess you do and thats fine. I consider the M6 the ultimate 6 and that is the reason the M6 is offered. Your definition of ultimate is different from the next mans definition of ultimate. To me there's no comparison and my initial comment to you still stands. All of these "super" GT cars have variable model trim levels, why would BMW not. Mercedes has the CL550, CL63 & CL65. Bentley has the GT v12, v8,(and convertibles of each) & soon the "Speed" and both have variations within them similar to BMWs M performance. With that being said, I still don't understand your point figuratively or literally. |
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07-11-2012, 10:02 AM | #32 | |
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I am not understanding what reviews you were looking at for last generation M6. Because most all comparisons claimed it was a fat pig when compared to the P cars. The previous generation M6 was no light weight sports car when in reality it was a heavy GT car with cramped back seats. The difference between new m6 is more capable then the last one all the while being more luxurious. I believe BMW is trying to compete against CL 63Amg and Bentley coupe rather then P cars.
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07-11-2012, 10:48 AM | #33 | |
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07-11-2012, 02:48 PM | #34 | |
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Well how many M6 owners will take their cars to the track? I bet fewer than the digits on your hands. Yes I know other makes also offer similar choices, that does not make them necessarily right. And from every review I've read the Bentley V8 is better than the V12! My case about the new 6 is this - by BMW's own admission the 5-series was targeted towards people in their mid-40s to 50s - this is fact. So where does that leave the 6? In normal guise it is arguably a much bigger and bulkier looking car than its predecessor - which looks as compact as a 911 compared to the new one - you simply cannot get away from this. So I would guess that officially or not, the 6 is targeted toward an even older audience. Elegant it may be, sporty it is patently not. And I have to repeat, that weight, the new 5 and 6 are unforgivably heavy cars, although they both excel. If I wanted an M-car with space I'd wait for the new M4 (if that's what they'll call the replacement for the 2-door M3), or the 4-door M3. And either model will likely have more interior space than the 6! I'm not knocking the M6, mind, but I am playing devil's advocate. Yes there may be people who want and will pay for such a car, but I have to beg the question, why? We all have different tastes, and I stand by my opinion that the ultimate 6 for now is a 640d, be it in Coupe, Cabrio or Gran Coupe guise. |
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07-11-2012, 04:33 PM | #35 |
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In regard to weight, here's a copy and paste of what I wrote on page one;
"Considering the M6 convertible/coupes actual competition is now the Bentley GT V8 convertible and coupe, CL63 and SL63 it's weight is not bad at all. With the exception of the newly designed SL the M6s are much lighter than the others. When compared to the Jags and Astons it's heavier yet *performs better and comes with more bells and whistle than are even offered on the two respective brands." I can't tell why others would but I can tell you why I would buy an M6 over the rest of the 6 range, (not that there's anything wrong with the rest of the range): Carbon roof (coupe, tech aside I luv the look) Wider stance = great road presence Wider wheels and tires Carbon trimmed interior M seats More power/torque(without aftermarket add ons) 7 speed DCT(although the 8speed is nice) 0-60 in atleast 3.7(coupe) considering its M5 counterpart can do it This is a short list, I left alot out.... This car can go full on(raw power with great handling in comparison) to full off(max luxury). To me this is a more refined mature mans/woman's M3 now M4. Someone who doesn't care to track the car and drives at or below the speed limit mostly but on occasion reverts back to his/her youth on an empty stretch of highway. That's where I am. I'm the same guy that would buy a CL63, I just like the BMW better. |
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One suspension setup? Seriously? So that would have to be a setup that wouldn't be suicidal on the track right? That would mean it would ride like a buckboard on nearly all pubic roadways. Get a grip on the basic market for expensive cars. Rich people want to buy them and enjoy them. Less than 1% of all M cars ever even see a track and you want to setup them up soley for that purpose? Last edited by BigHat; 07-16-2012 at 02:36 PM.. Reason: Typo |
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07-15-2012, 12:10 PM | #39 | |
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I'm not going to the track, I don't care about "racing heritage", and you know what? I don't want my wife to complain about my hugely expensive lumber truck that can't haul lumber. And BMW has figured out that my wife has a big say in my purchase. And that there are probably more of me than people who ... Want a mass-market production race car that they can drive to work? Uh what? Really? Is that what many of you are doing? If you want a race car, build one. I bet BMW won't care if you put an "//M" on it. If you won't or can't then be happy with your fun luxury street car like the rest of us. |
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07-24-2012, 02:21 AM | #40 | |
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Seriously the people complaining don't want race cars they just don't want overweight GT cars. They also want the cars to have more personality. They aren't asking for a car that is incapable of comfortably taking you or your wife to work every day. |
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