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      08-21-2013, 09:59 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Video: BMW M6 Laguna Seca Hot Lap Test (Motor Trend Driver Car of the Year Shootout)

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Pro driver Randy Pobst hot laps the 2013 BMW M6 around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca as part of Motor Trend's 2013 Best Driver's Car review.

The 2013 BMW M6 is one of 12 contenders competing for the title of 2013 Best Driver's Car. The other contenders include: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Wagon, Audi R8 V10, GT-R, Porsche Cayman S, 911 4S, SLS Black Series, the SRT Viper, the Focus ST, the Vanquish, Bentley Continental GT Speed and the Jaguar F-Type.

With its 560 HP / 501 lb-ft torque, the M6 turns in a lap time of 1:40.52 around Laguna Seca.




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      08-21-2013, 07:29 PM   #2
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      08-22-2013, 10:36 AM   #3
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Bad review for the M6-

10th Place: BMW M6
Bigger Than Better Unfortunately for the M6, there's no mechanical issue to blame for its standing. Save some significant brake fade on the track, the M6 functioned exactly as it was designed. Assuming, of course, that BMW intended to design a car that is too heavy, too complicated, and unable to put the power down. Before we go any further, it must be said that the M6 has some very redeeming qualities. Every judge remarked about how much he enjoyed the big, broad powerband and raucous noise from the (officially, but likely underrated) 560-horsepower engine. Praise was likewise heaped on the transmission. "The dual-clutch is the best part of this car," Lago wrote. Shifts were imperceptibly quick and smooth with no interruption of power. "I really enjoyed the drivetrain," Randy said. "The transmission is fantastic."

It's not the most powerful engine here, but it feels like it. -- Benson Kong
Like the rest of us, though, Randy had trouble finding other nice things to say about how the M6 drove. "Driving the car fast ends up being a lot of work," he reported. "It's kind of like a feeling of wrestling, and it's not a finely balanced car through the corners. You're using both hands and working it, and it's just not on the level of M cars that I'm used to seeing in terms of handling." It was the same report from the road. Judges dinged the M6 for being too heavy and unsettled in corners. Moreover, the car felt numb and isolating, like there was always a barrier between you and the road. Loh described it thus: "The M6 tunes out nearly every chassis response, and then tries to dial it back in to your liking." Ah, but there's a button for that, isn't there? Actually, there are about a hundred of them. The M6 offers a wide range of options for fine-tuning the car's various computers to dial in performance for any given situation. On its face, this seems like a good thing. In practice, you end up fiddling with settings forever. We calculated 125 possible combinations of throttle, suspension, transmission, and other settings. Somewhere around combination 26, you realize that none of them is really making the car much of a better driver's car, and you're just wasting time. As an example, take Randy's experience on track. "I tried the car in Sport Mode once to see if it affected the handling, because it had so much oversteer on exit, but it also had a tendency to understeer a lot. Only tried a couple of corners in Sport because it understeered heavily. I put it back in Sport Plus, and all of a sudden it was oversteering." In the end, the M6 was slower around the track than the much less powerful 911. An inability to use its massive power reserve would plague the M6 everywhere it went. It struggled in instrumented testing, especially on the figure eight. If you can get its nine-step launch control to work, at 4 seconds flat to 60 mph it's nearly as quick as a Corvette in a straight line. Anywhere else, though, the M6 is constantly spinning its tires in frustration. Several editors complained that the stability-control light was flashing constantly during road driving, fighting every single bump. "If you can't go WOT into fourth gear without ESC intervention, you either have too much power or your rear axle isn't setup properly," said Lago. BMW's illustrious M division built its name on cars that were light, nimble, communicative, and begging to be driven as hard as possible. The M6 is the antithesis of that ethos.
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      08-22-2013, 10:36 AM   #4
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Too bad it got 10th place overall : (. It's too big which compromises its handling

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      08-22-2013, 10:46 AM   #5
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Such a bad ass car yet bad review!

All I could hear in that video is monster in the background roaring through gears and the driver complaining about over steer non stop!
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      08-22-2013, 10:52 AM   #6
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M6 lap times are pretty impressive for its size and weight it was faster than all similarly sized car (Bentley, AM vanquish,E63), and only 1.7 sec off the 550 hp, 800lb lighter AWD R8.
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Motor Trend tries hard with a fancy title and they failed at compairing the vehicles that actualy don't belong together. Go figure...
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Looks like too much motor for the chassis....this is what happens when M tries to chase amg. It's apparent that torque is a new concept for the M division, and they're going to need awd to reign in this much power and weight
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Significant brake fade? This M6 has the carbon ceramic brake option......
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Significant brake fade? This M6 has the carbon ceramic brake option......
I've never heard that comment for a car with ceramic brakes. What's up with that
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Down 70hp from the M6 the F-type was only .29 sec behind the M6. And it is a porker too. Well done Jag.
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BMW's illustrious M division built its name on cars that were light, nimble, communicative, and begging to be driven as hard as possible. The M6 is the antithesis of that ethos.
I really fear this is the direction BMW M is heading
but hey, if they are selling well in china...
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Down 70hp from the M6 the F-type was only .29 sec behind the M6. And it is a porker too. Well done Jag.
Not really.
Ariel Atom has even less power but even faster than 911 Turbo around the track.

Comparing F Type to M6 is as ridiculous as this..
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Isn't the problem that this is a Grand Tourer and weighs too much? It's not really a "Super Car" in comparison to some other cars in the same price bracket, but yes its v fast and comfortable which is important most of the time I know.

However an ///M car coming 10th out of 12 is all the more reason BMW needs to come up with some delightful lightweight mid engined beauty.
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I really fear this is the direction BMW M is heading
but hey, if they are selling well in china...
I wouldn't be concerned, the entire F1x M's should be considered all new cars with the 1M, M2 and M4 added to the mix. I would think the next M3/M4 will be in line with what people think the M5/M6 should be in terms of weight and 'nimbleness'. Just a broader range.
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I've never heard that comment for a car with ceramic brakes. What's up with that
The Pads Fade Still.

It's the Same Pad as non Ceramic equipped cars. The Ceramic rotor concept is reduced mass, better inital bite from increased brake torque, and the increased longevity with OEM pads.
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The Pads Fade Still.

It's the Same Pad as non Ceramic equipped cars. The Ceramic rotor concept is reduced mass, better inital bite from increased brake torque, and the increased longevity with OEM pads.
It's just that it's quite strange that one of the first bad comments was that it had significant fade. That is highly unusual and again, I've never heard of that comment for a car fitted with ceramic brakes in a car test.
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Someone please explain how they got 4 secs from 0-60 if the M5 does it in 3.7...
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It's just that it's quite strange that one of the first bad comments was that it had significant fade. That is highly unusual and again, I've never heard of that comment for a car fitted with ceramic brakes in a car test.
This is pretty shocking. Reduced mass is nice - which normally you do to improve handling. And going to Ceramics should guarantee at least a FEW fade free laps. Seems and extra what $8k in ceramic brakes gets you NEITHER.

Ouch BMW. Ouch.

I can only pray the ceramic option on the M3/4 actually improves SOMETHING.
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Since when is a CAMARO the measuring stick for a driver's car.

Pobst in a ZL1 at Lagune. Turns a 1:39.




Drove one of these - and man it feels a lot more nimble than it looks. And in 2014 you can get some recaros. I really NEVER ever thought I'd be x-shopping any BMW w/ a 'maro.
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This is pretty shocking. Reduced mass is nice - which normally you do to improve handling. And going to Ceramics should guarantee at least a FEW fade free laps. Seems and extra what $8k in ceramic brakes gets you NEITHER.

Ouch BMW. Ouch.

I can only pray the ceramic option on the M3/4 actually improves SOMETHING.
This should be justified with a 75% slash in price haha.
The weight of the M6 definitely affected this significantly, so the M3/4 shouldn't have much of a problem since it's going to be like a feather in comparison.
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