[moesess34]

I have had my ix m60 since August of 2022. I like to get new cars every 2-3 years. I have toyed with the idea of a Rivian and other cars. But, right now the ix is the best car for me out there now.

[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by moesess34

I have had my ix m60 since August of 2022. I like to get new cars every 2-3 years. I have toyed with the idea of a Rivian and other cars. But, right now the ix is the best car for me out there now.

I got my iX50 the same time as you in Aug 22. 49k miles and warranty about to run out. I’m going to drive this into the ground. It’s a great daily and a bit irritating for road trips with charging worries and annoying cargo space issues. DA/DAP is great. It’s really fun off-road and in deep snow hooning with the right tires.

Hopefully the battery doesn’t die but since we are all upside down on financing right now we really don’t have much of a choice.

If I had to replace this it would be an iX5/iX7 when they come out in 2026-28. I would wait until the end of the first year when the incentives come out. You know we really got screwed being early adopters on the iX with terrible financing and no discounts along with parts shortages. Never again.

[MAMOHT]

Had mine for 1y and 3m. So far, the plan is to drive it until the wheels fall off. I really like it.

[drbluedevil]

I got an iX50 in 8/22. I loved it so much I got an iX60 after my first one got wrecked. My dad got one too. I’m definitely leasing from now on though. The tech’s moving so fast, I just want a new car every 3 years.

[moesess34]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I got my iX50 the same time as you in Aug 22. 49k miles and warranty about to run out. I’m going to drive this into the ground. It’s a great daily and a bit irritating for road trips with charging worries and annoying cargo space issues. DA/DAP is great. It’s really fun off-road and in deep snow hooning with the right tires.

Hopefully the battery doesn’t die but since we are all upside down on financing right now we really don’t have much of a choice.

If I had to replace this it would be an iX5/iX7 when they come out in 2026-28. I would wait until the end of the first year when the incentives come out. You know we really got screwed being early adopters on the iX with terrible financing and no discounts along with parts shortages. Never again.

We did get screwed!
The ix is still the best game in town. I do want something a lil bigger.

[svenbmw]

I love it and want to own it for the next 6 years ( mine is 2022 IX). However, I am scared what would happen if warranty runs out .

[ssingh1975]

Hit that "dislike" button. lol.

I jumped in on the $799/month lease back in Nov last year and love the vehicle but long term, EV is not my cuppa. I almost had a near disaster on a longer road trip (winter travel and the range just dropped out of nowhere against wind drag and full load of 4 adults and suitcases). I now use my Ford Ranger for road trips (I get over 400 miles on a full tank of Costco cheap gas with ac/heater on blast).

For road trips, the main bummer is lack of reliable public chargers and while Tesla superchargers are like in every small town in CA, it's the opposite for Electrifying America. Not to mention, on the road, the charge throughput varies from charger to charger and it's a 30min ordeal to "gas up". Handful of times, I either had to wait for a Mercedes or a Audi Etron or just drive around and find another station. I do love the tech in the IX but then any newer vehicle nowadays comes with cutting edge tech anyways. Then tires are another story (which pertains to all EVs due to the added battery weight). My family are Tesla fans but spend $$$$ on tire replacements every 10-15k .

Then battery is another factor. Any EV vehicle is basically a disposable vehicle. There's no more of that "I just crossed 200k miles on the original engine!" brag anymore. Outside of warranty, EV vehicles become a huge wallet drainer.

My Ranger is paid off this Dec and I might switch to a diesel Jeep Gladiater since I love diesel engines. My 2011 X5 diesel lasted me over 88k without a single issue and in CA, diesel emissions are covered till 100k. I had once driven from Sacramento to Portland, Oregon on a single tank of diesel and in winter!. 600 miles +.

But yeah, when my lease is up, I'll evaluate the state of EV market ...unless they come out with CHEAPER EV vehicles with 500 miles battery, a plain old gasser it is for me.

Quick story...I stayed in Lake Tahoe just after new year and I took my truck. My in-laws drove their Tesla Model X and they were 2 hours late to the Air-B-B as they ran into range anxiety and fast battery depletion in the snow and had to make multiple stops to the superchargers. I didn't even fill up both ways.

[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by ssingh1975

Hit that "dislike" button. lol.

I jumped in on the $799/month lease back in Nov last year and love the vehicle but long term, EV is not my cuppa. I almost had a near disaster on a longer road trip (winter travel and the range just dropped out of nowhere against wind drag and full load of 4 adults and suitcases). I now use my Ford Ranger for road trips (I get over 400 miles on a full tank of Costco cheap gas with ac/heater on blast).

For road trips, the main bummer is lack of reliable public chargers and while Tesla superchargers are like in every small town in CA, it's the opposite for Electrifying America. Not to mention, on the road, the charge throughput varies from charger to charger and it's a 30min ordeal to "gas up". Handful of times, I either had to wait for a Mercedes or a Audi Etron or just drive around and find another station. I do love the tech in the IX but then any newer vehicle nowadays comes with cutting edge tech anyways. Then tires are another story (which pertains to all EVs due to the added battery weight). My family are Tesla fans but spend $$$$ on tire replacements every 10-15k .

Then battery is another factor. Any EV vehicle is basically a disposable vehicle. There's no more of that "I just crossed 200k miles on the original engine!" brag anymore. Outside of warranty, EV vehicles become a huge wallet drainer.

My Ranger is paid off this Dec and I might switch to a diesel Jeep Gladiater since I love diesel engines. My 2011 X5 diesel lasted me over 88k without a single issue and in CA, diesel emissions are covered till 100k. I had once [...]

Seems like you haven’t really had enough time with the car yet to understand it and how to mitigate the bad. Charging infrastructure is terrible and that’s out of our control. The full car with suitcases isn’t much of a drag compared to the against wind/elevation etc.

You need to take 30-40% off of summer range as a buffer for winter, and even more if you know you’re going uphill (Vegas to SLC, or any ski resort area).

Tires are not expensive, and the whole “extra” weight is BS on our iX’s which are just 500 or so pounds more than a X5. You do NOT replace the tires with expensive OE “EV” tires with terrible wear. If you do,well, you’re a sucker for their marketing. I have 2 sets of wheels (both non-OE) and my daily 22” set of tires cost me $900 for the set and they’re still solid after 40k miles after only 1 rotation. They should last 50k miles easily, and I drive my car HARD.

Agreed that battery is a bit of a wildcard. I truly believe that our BMW’s battery management systems are better than Tesla’s, especially the earlier pre-2018 Teslas where most of the battery data comes from.

I firmly believe that once charging anxiety is alleviated by better charging infrastructure, the overall EV experience will be better.

For road trips, I think I might replace my F15 X5 50i with a 2019-2020 X7 40i and BM3/JB4 the B58 on it along with coding the iDrive7 for Video-in-Motion, and some form of LKA/ACC. I think that car hits the sweet spot for occasional road trips. I pick the X7 because the wheel/tire sizes/offsets are interchangeable with the iX, so I can have 1 set of winters for both cars. Those are running mid-40s right now.

You clearly haven’t PUSHED the iX as an EV hard off the pavement as it’s WAY more fun than even my TTV8 X5. The iX with air suspension and real winter tires absolutely slays in the snow. The FUN factor of the EV, to me, was worth the range anxiety when getting there.

[hugo_nz]

June ‘22 delivery here. While the “early adopter” annoyances remain the IX is undeniably a brilliant car. If I did replace it it would be with the next-gen iX3, Volvo EX90 or Lyriq.

[Paladin1]

Early adopter here too - in fact, first iX 50 in the state and first M60 in the state. And bottom line, TLDR, best cars we've owned or driven for what we want or need. Fuel cost are 10-20% of what I was paying for any previous ICE or diesel model. Maintenance costs are zero. I can fill up in my garage any time I want. Excellent build quality, fit and finish, and outstanding sound systems and technology. They drive like sports cars (within the SUV envelope - physics is a bitch). Handling and feel are superb. Range is excellent within our requirements.

That said....

The charging infrastructure sucks. But we knew that, and we didn't buy these as long-haulers. If I traveled cross-country as much as I once did, I'd probably get a supplemental X5 - previous familiarity and one of the best SUVs on the road IMO. But as others noted, that will improve, and likely within a couple of years.

It's a first edition. I've had several, and eyes open going in. If you buy a first, you'll have recalls. And updates. And parts/logistics problems. And rapid devaluation. And unexpected quirks. And costs. And the next generation will be better, and the one after that. But not yours. And we knew all that from the start. But you'll be among the first to own and drive a concept brought to reality, with many miles and smiles under your seat by the time you buy Gen 4.

So overall, delighted. And would do it again in a New York minute. Love the driving characteristics of electric power, the acceleration and torque, the silence. And I believe it's the future - near future at least, and likely for the rest of our collective lives until something better comes along in the next century or so, after ICE is as dead as a Dodo (although, apparently they can revive the Dodo ). Enjoy the ride.

[KRS_SN]

12000 miles and 7 months of ownership on I love this car. Each time Im on a long trip towards a rural path away from fast chargers I know its a mistake . The rest of the time it's brilliant as it's truly a good car.

[Kennethjk]

These batteries can be recharged 1k to 1.5 k. That means batteries will easily last over 200k.

I don’t think batteries are going to be an issue. How many people actually keel their BMW that long.

Like any BMW, the out of warranty cost to fix anything will be a kick in the behind.

The charging infrastructure is getting better and better, Pilot and Flying J are adding a chargers on various routes outside of Northeast. Tesla is outfitting chargers for CCS cars.

Don’t have mine yet but planning a summer trip from NYC area to south of Buffalo and charging infrastructure looks pretty good.

[NomoTesla]

We sold our Tesla to get the iX and never looked back. iX is the best car we've ever owned! I just hit 3.8 mi/kWh w/ 22" wheels. This thing keeps surprising us in the best ways.

[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by Kennethjk

These batteries can be recharged 1k to 1.5 k. That means batteries will easily last over 200k.

I don’t think batteries are going to be an issue. How many people actually keel their BMW that long.

Like any BMW, the out of warranty cost to fix anything will be a kick in the behind.

The charging infrastructure is getting better and better, Pilot and Flying J are adding a chargers on various routes outside of Northeast. Tesla is outfitting chargers for CCS cars.

Don’t have mine yet but planning a summer trip from NYC area to south of Buffalo and charging infrastructure looks pretty good.

I sincerely hope that the batteries can be recharged more than “1k to 1.5k” times. I’ve already charged more than 1400 times DCFC on EA and another 100+ times on AC Level 2 chargers in just 18 months/49k miles. I’m going to DCFC a lot less once the free EA runs out in 6 months so I hope for at least another 2000-2500 DCFC over the next 4 years and 1000 AC/L2. I firmly believe the BMW batteries can handle it and I’m ok with battery capacity going down to 80-85% by 150k miles.

The car does get boring (not a bad thing) after a while so I probably change out wheels/tires every 1.5 years and rotate between 2 sets. I’m picking out my A/T setup now which will probably be 20”x9 wheels ET25 offer, and 275/55R20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers or Toyo OPAT3 EV tires.

I really hope they issue a recall for the steering rack. I’m terrified of having to pay for that out of pocket in 600 miles.

[Kennethjk]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I sincerely hope that the batteries can be recharged more than “1k to 1.5k” times. I’ve already charged more than 1400 times DCFC on EA and another 100+ times on AC Level 2 chargers in just 18 months/49k miles. I’m going to DCFC a lot less once the free EA runs out in 6 months so I hope for at least another 2000-2500 DCFC over the next 4 years and 1000 AC/L2. I firmly believe the BMW batteries can handle it and I’m ok with battery capacity going down to 80-85% by 150k miles.

The car does get boring (not a bad thing) after a while so I probably change out wheels/tires every 1.5 years and rotate between 2 sets. I’m picking out my A/T setup now which will probably be 20”x9 wheels ET25 offer, and 275/55R20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers or Toyo OPAT3 EV tires.

I really hope they issue a recall for the steering rack. I’m terrified of having to pay for that out of pocket in 600 miles.

I should have added that the 1k-1.5k charges is full charges. So if you charge the car for only 10% of the battery that counts as only 1/10th of a charge.

[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by Kennethjk

I should have added that the 1k-1.5k charges is full charges. So if you charge the car for only 10% of the battery that counts as only 1/10th of a charge.

So you’re saying 100-150MWh of charging. That’s fair. I’m at 49k and 2.4mi/kWh so I guess I’m 15-20% of that number. That’s reasonable.

[Week 38]

ricerboi [QUOTE=ricerboi;30932684]I sincerely hope that the batteries can be recharged more than “1k to 1.5k” times. I’ve already charged more than 1400 times DCFC on EA and another 100+ times on AC Level 2 chargers in just 18 months/49k miles.


49,000 miles divided by 1,400 DCFC events equals 35 miles between charges not including your at home AC charging. What am I missing?

My personal belief is AC at home charging has very little effect on battery life. if you want to maximize battery life AC charging, for this generation of batteries, is probably the way to go. DCFC charging rate is determined by a BMW algorithm. The algorithm is periodically changed, based on updated experience by BMW. I believe the changes have allowed faster DCFC charging recently. Since BMW warrants the battery, their research probably has shown faster charging is not as detrimental as originally thought.

[NomoTesla]

[QUOTE=Week 38;30933487]ricerboi

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I sincerely hope that the batteries can be recharged more than “1k to 1.5k” times. I’ve already charged more than 1400 times DCFC on EA and another 100+ times on AC Level 2 chargers in just 18 months/49k miles.


49,000 miles divided by 1,400 DCFC events equals 35 miles between charges not including your at home AC charging. What am I missing?

My personal belief is AC at home charging has very little effect on battery life. if you want to maximize battery life AC charging, for this generation of batteries, is probably the way to go. DCFC charging rate is determined by a BMW algorithm. The algorithm is periodically changed, based on updated experience by BMW. I believe the changes have allowed faster DCFC charging recently. Since BMW warrants the battery, their research probably has shown faster charging is not as detrimental as originally thought.

I read that the 2022/2023 model years have a 30% degradation guarantee for 8 years or 100,000 miles, but that degradation guarantee was removed from the 2024 models. I have not independently verified so I could be wrong here.

BMW's in-vehicle manual has battery care and charging tips. From BMW's own mouth it says to use AC charging as much as possible and DCFC only when needed for long trips. BMW makes it clear that using DCFC on a daily basis as a replacement for AC charging is going to result in unwanted battery degradation.

At the end of the day, folks should do what they want to do and use the car in the manner in which it works for them. The pro is that one gets to charge the way that they want, the con being that the battery may suffer. Everything is fine so long as one is aware of the tradeoffs.

[sor]

I’m of a split mind. I’m looking forward to what’s next and I’d prefer something smaller, but I don’t think there’s anything better on the market for me now. Maybe a new iX3 in a few years…

[Kennethjk]

[QUOTE=Week 38;30933487]ricerboi

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I sincerely hope that the batteries can be recharged more than “1k to 1.5k” times. I’ve already charged more than 1400 times DCFC on EA and another 100+ times on AC Level 2 chargers in just 18 months/49k miles.


49,000 miles divided by 1,400 DCFC events equals 35 miles between charges not including your at home AC charging. What am I missing?

My personal belief is AC at home charging has very little effect on battery life. if you want to maximize battery life AC charging, for this generation of batteries, is probably the way to go. DCFC charging rate is determined by a BMW algorithm. The algorithm is periodically changed, based on updated experience by BMW. I believe the changes have allowed faster DCFC charging recently. Since BMW warrants the battery, their research probably has shown faster charging is not as detrimental as originally thought.

Those charges of yours were not full charges. If the full battery is 105 for example you should be able to get at least 1k to 1.5 k of full charges.

If you are averaging 35 miles between charges you are probably only charging maybe 10% of the battery each time, that would mean you should get anywhere between 10k-15k charges assuming 10% of the battery each time.

Bottom line is the battery should get way more than 200k miles.

[ricerboi]

[QUOTE=Week 38;30933487]ricerboi

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I sincerely hope that the batteries can be recharged more than “1k to 1.5k” times. I’ve already charged more than 1400 times DCFC on EA and another 100+ times on AC Level 2 chargers in just 18 months/49k miles.


49,000 miles divided by 1,400 DCFC events equals 35 miles between charges not including your at home AC charging. What am I missing?

My personal belief is AC at home charging has very little effect on battery life. if you want to maximize battery life AC charging, for this generation of batteries, is probably the way to go. DCFC charging rate is determined by a BMW algorithm. The algorithm is periodically changed, based on updated experience by BMW. I believe the changes have allowed faster DCFC charging recently. Since BMW warrants the battery, their research probably has shown faster charging is not as detrimental as originally thought.

Yeah basic math would yield your results but unfortunately, more than half of those DCFC “sessions” were the result of EA charger…”fun”…some of which include charging for 1-3 minutes and cutting out, charger throttling down to 20-30kW (a lot), topping off between 65-90% even if I don’t need it because the EA charger was “open” when I drove by (usually 1-1.5 hour wait). Pictures speak a thousand words so I will just screenshot my experience so you see it. Jan 2023 was my highest mileage/charging month (road trip from SoCal to Vancouver/Whistler then Banff/Jasper then back to SoCal in 0-15F weather)so it’s a highest-use/worst case. I doubt many here are brave enough to attempt a 4700 mile road trip in an EV with questionable charging in Canada in those temps with 170-210 mile range (and an infant).

If you don’t count the 0-2 kWh charge “attempts” and define DCFC sessions as 20-30 minute minute sessions then I’m probably around 700-800 sessions. However, I think those “attempts” do actually affect the charge cycles.

EA has gotten slightly better on charger performance/reliability but wait times have been worse because there are way more EVs with free EA plans the last 8 months.

Agreed on the AC charging at home having little effect on battery capacity (low heat).

[ricerboi]

Also you guys probably wanna see this. There are a few guys stateside on this forum who are over 50k besides me.

Moral of the story: Wheel, tire weight, and aero matter even more on EVs. My heavy 22” 3-piece forged wheels and tires are yielding 250-260 miles of range (hence the low 2.4mi/kWh along with a lot of winter driving) whereas my much lighter non-aero 20” set is yielding 280-290 miles. I’m going to switch to a lower weight 20” set with 285/50R20 or 275/55R20 A/T and see what happens (estimating 275 miles or so which is fine for me). The ride on air suspension and 20” is just so much better than 22” which just look good.