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      10-28-2020, 07:29 PM   #1
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B6 vs. 650

I have always wanted to try a B6 Alpina and one came up for sale at a local dealership. It was two years newer than mine and had substantially less mileage on it and the price difference between the trade-in of my car and the price of the the B6 was about 47K plus tax.

I went down to the dealer for a road test and it does have a different feel than the 650. It is very powerful and all that extra torque is noticeable. However, the car feels heavier and in many ways, the 650 is just as luxurious and is a better drivers car with a more nimble feel.

While the B6 is a very special car, I would not spend all that extra money to buy it, especially that my car is fully warrantied until summer, 2022. After that, who knows

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      10-28-2020, 09:28 PM   #2
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I have always wanted to try a B6 Alpina and one came up for sale at a local dealership. It was two years newer than mine and had substantially less mileage on it and the price difference between the trade-in of my car and the price of the the B6 was about 47K plus tax.

I went down to the dealer for a road test and it does have a different feel than the 650. It is very powerful and all that extra torque is noticeable. However, the car feels heavier and in many ways, the 650 is just as luxurious and is a better drivers car with a more nimble feel.

While the B6 is a very special car, I would not spend all that extra money to buy it, especially that my car is fully warrantied until summer, 2022. After that, who knows
They are different cars somewhat yes. That said with mods the 650i can be more powerful/faster. Install a tune, dps, flash the tranny with xHP, etc and for a little more than $5k you'll be way ahead.
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      10-29-2020, 05:12 AM   #3
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If you choose to buy F06/12/13 chassi you are up to get some luxurius ride, because of the high weight that chassi is very hard to turn to a 'real' sports car what ever you lay under the bonnet.

I was just yesterday enjoying my car, my 3.0 D engine is std ( egr delete), shift points has lowered a bit, it cruises really nicely with low rpms. Even I've Eibach springs ( those are comfy sporty) the whole is flying like a carpet while I've 'soft' tires and as low weighting rims as possible.
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They are different cars somewhat yes. That said with mods the 650i can be more powerful/faster. Install a tune, dps, flash the tranny with xHP, etc and for a little more than $5k you'll be way ahead.
What is this xHP tune you speak of. I have BM3 stage 2 with catless DPs and a cold air intake. Does the transmission tune make any difference?
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      10-30-2020, 03:10 PM   #5
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To me this comparison is apples and oranges. The fair comparison would be between the M6 and the B6.
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They are different cars somewhat yes. That said with mods the 650i can be more powerful/faster. Install a tune, dps, flash the tranny with xHP, etc and for a little more than $5k you'll be way ahead.
What is this xHP tune you speak of. I have BM3 stage 2 with catless DPs and a cold air intake. Does the transmission tune make any difference?
xHP makes a huge difference on modded cars, especially heavily boosted ones. XHP will almost turn your car into the feel and output of a true DCT. Stage 3 is the one I run. Shift points are all remapped, torque limiters are removed, there is a strong downshift, etc. BM3 and xHP are a great combo, I would say almost necessary.
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xHP makes a huge difference on modded cars, especially heavily boosted ones. XHP will almost turn your car into the feel and output of a true DCT. Stage 3 is the one I run. Shift points are all remapped, torque limiters are removed, there is a strong downshift, etc. BM3 and xHP are a great combo, I would say almost necessary.
Where do I buy and what do I buy? lol
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To me this comparison is apples and oranges. The fair comparison would be between the M6 and the B6.
That's what people normally compare. But the B6 is built off of the 650i xDrive. The engine is a derivative of the N63 engine, not the S63 in the M6. The all-wheel-drive system is the same as a 650. So the comparison should be 650 xdrive to Alpina B6.

I actually like the way the 650 xDrive M sport package looks way better than the Alpina. I think the Alpina Wheels look lame and they are heavier than a pile of bricks.
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Alpina will hold its value more than a boggo 650
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Alpina will hold its value more than a boggo 650
Percentage-wise, they have depreciated about the same amount. Remember, the MSRP is are much more for Alpina. The repair costs are also more for Alpina. So that has to be factored in.
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That's what people normally compare. But the B6 is built off of the 650i xDrive. The engine is a derivative of the N63 engine, not the S63 in the M6. The all-wheel-drive system is the same as a 650. So the comparison should be 650 xdrive to Alpina B6.

I actually like the way the 650 xDrive M sport package looks way better than the Alpina. I think the Alpina Wheels look lame and they are heavier than a pile of bricks.
I'm not fan of the looks either. I think overall it looks kinda like a non-MSport 650 with some sort of weird body kit parts. If I did not know it was supposed to be special I would chose an MSport 650 as the better looking car.
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xHP makes a huge difference on modded cars, especially heavily boosted ones. XHP will almost turn your car into the feel and output of a true DCT. Stage 3 is the one I run. Shift points are all remapped, torque limiters are removed, there is a strong downshift, etc. BM3 and xHP are a great combo, I would say almost necessary.
Where do I buy and what do I buy? lol
Xhp app is in the App Store/google play store. You need an enet cable, which I assume you have, an enet to lightning adapter if on iPhone. You buy the license and map pack from the app.
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Does the xHP void any extended warranty?

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Does the xHP void any extended warranty?

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Yes, any mod will void that components warranty.
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      11-02-2020, 12:51 AM   #15
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I went down to the dealer for a road test and it does have a different feel than the 650. It is very powerful and all that extra torque is noticeable. However, the car feels heavier and in many ways, the 650 is just as luxurious and is a better drivers car with a more nimble feel.
You mention that the B6 felt heavier than the 650. My question is if the 650 you drove was an X drive or RWD. The B6 is based off of the X drive, aka heavier chassis, therefore if the 650 you drove was just RWD, that would explain why the B6 felt heavier.

As others have mentioned the B6 is based on a non M-sport model and Alpina just tacked on some bumper kits. I agree that the 650 M sport is the better looking car. That being said, there is a place for the B6. The M6 is suspension is tuned to be more firm aka racy and of course its not available in all wheel drive. So if you want/need 650 comfort, but want M6 power (without going w/aftermarket tunes, etc.) the B6 is a nice alternative.
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You mention that the B6 felt heavier than the 650. My question is if the 650 you drove was an X drive or RWD. The B6 is based off of the X drive, aka heavier chassis, therefore if the 650 you drove was just RWD, that would explain why the B6 felt heavier.
The Alpina is about 200 pounds heavier than the 650 Gran Coupe xDrive.
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