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I wonder if this car was previously driven hard? You may want to consider even writing the state attorney general.
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09-19-2015, 04:25 PM | #3 |
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Hopefully this thread is not turning to "another cheating deal" ...
Recall a thread over M5post the guy got the used car with clean carfax and later on when he was in accident figured out the car had accident history hidden by the previous owner (dealer's GM)... OP make sure the car had no major maintenance history such as Differential of Gearbox
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09-19-2015, 04:39 PM | #4 |
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So....you basically just admitted on a public forum that you often drive the car hard. Now you wonder why they denied your claim due to abusive driving?
The fact you weren't putting anyone at risk doesn't make it non-abusive. Track driving would be considered non-abusive in that scenario....and it's well known they aren't going to warranty your repairs for damage caused at a track. Sounds like you were doing the same thing....just not at a track.
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09-19-2015, 04:55 PM | #6 | |
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If not , then you are driving "wrong car"... 640 is a great and suit car for you No offense but if I'm not mistaken, long time ago you were complaining about squealing noise of your M6 right? I mentioned at that time this noise is normal for high performance cars including Ferrari, Lamborghini and even MB AMG (I posted some forum regardless of your SL AMG with no squealing noise)... The point is : IMHO, M cars are designed to be driven hard and to be pushed to their limits... 100% agree with you about driving hard on public roads or streets is highly prohibited, but there is a major difference between track and street. M6 is not a track oriented car (like 911 or GTR) and no one claimed she is, but it's a high performance car and hard acceleration or pushing the car to the limit must not be an issue at all... and again this hard acceleration is different from track stuff...
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You should not be on this forum, did you read ANY of my text? There is a big difference between accelerating at a green light and TRACKING a car my friend, if you don't know what the difference is, please delete your account. I live in LA, a city known for having the worst streets, where in the world am I suppose to drive the car likes its on a track on the streets...without going to jail? I think you have mistaken me for a fool, sorry. |
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I had kind of similar experience with my M6. At about 3K mile I got clutch failure and car used to do shacking (shuddering) when the engine was cold. For several months I fought with dealer and BMWNA while they believed it was normal at first place and then they believed the clutch was "pre-matured", and finally they accepted to replace the clutch kit under warranty when I had 12k miles on the clock!!! ... They kept telling me it's because of aggressive driving... and I kept replying : That's why I'm not driving 328
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Also, for the record, I do like the performance of the car....however, I also don't like to look like a clown flooring a RWD car with 560HP from a stop light and sitting there for 3 seconds because the car has no traction and isn't moving anyways. This car's strong point from a performance point of view is not using it like that. Feel free to drive the car as hard as you want, but don't expect BMW to cover it when it breaks due to that (and certainly don't come on a public forum and admit you floored it and it broke right after). You can do searches on Vette, Benz, BMW, etc. forums and find lots of similar situations and the companies/warranties never cover this! Again, sounds like they looked at the computer and have a pretty good idea of what happened.
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I'm just telling you that whether a car is on a street or track makes no difference when it comes to stuff like this. Abusive driving is abusive driving to BMW. I'm using the OP's words....not "I accelerated hard" but rather "I accelerated using the full power output of the car" AKA "I floored the f*ck out of it".
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BTW I posted one of those bulletin here : http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1112127 and FYI I'm at the third set of rotors and brakes (under warranty) and still have squealing noises like a champ LOL
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So are you saying I am not suppose to "floor" it in 1st or 2nd gear? Please enlighten me with your "non-abusive" driving mumbo-jumbo. Is this guy being serious? This car was engineered to go FAST. An axle that shatters should be covered under warranty. I didn't ABUSE the car, if I did, I want to see DATA that compares my driving characteristics with a standard "non abusive" list of drivers.How the hell else would they determined what abusive driving was and what an "aggressive" load was for the car???? What kind of "legal" official are you...? |
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Page 138 of 2013 user's manual: Notes Racetrack operation leads to increased wear. The vehicle is not designed for motorsports competitive use. This wear is not covered by the warranty. The standard brake linings and the wear indicators are not designed for racetrack operation. For more information and advice, contact your service center.
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BTW, look it up.....BMW has denied warranties when launch control has been used too many times (which they considered abusive driving, see link below). So let's stop arguing about that, too. There are no points to argue. You can either understand that is their policy or you can be in denial despite evidence to the contrary. http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467260 Here is another story of a broken axle on the F10 M5.....from doing what? Flooring the car. Did BMW cover it? No. http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ht=Broken+axle It sounds pretty apparent you have beat the heck out of the car in the 90 days you have owned it based on BMW's position. If they did research and found out you floored the car once or twice, I'm pretty sure your car would already be back in your hands, fixed under warranty. Be lucky you didn't blow a $35k engine.
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@mjr24 Give it a rest already. Your arguments trying to defer the blame in this shameless situation back to the driver/op are ridiculous and invalidated immediately by the simple fact that BMW offers a feature on this vehicle called "Launch Control" which requires kickdown ("flooring" the accelerator) to function. A manufacturer cannot void your warranty for normal use of the Launch Control feature, just ask Nissan, they know. OP, a five minute conversation with an attorney will open your eyes to the 1,001 ways you can amend this situation. There are countless laws that protect you from this shameless denial of warranty duties by your dealership, specifically the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. What happened to your car is not normal. I and many others have launched heavily modified M6s with much more power than the drivetrain has been originally designed to support with no issues. What happened here was a freak accident and the dealership is simply trying to defer blame back to you. In any case I would refrain from getting into too many details of the situation here before consulting with my attorney. At this moment the less you reveal, the stronger your hand against your dealer
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They need to cover the repair, or explanation in writing specifically why they will not.
The MM Act keeps dealers from making stuff up to keep from doing repairs. "Outside influences"? Like what? If they can't tell you or show you, ask em when u can pick it up. If I stomped on the gas, the wheels would spin, the electronics keep all the power from hitting the ground. Unless u put drag radials on it and the previous owner tuned it, they need to fix it. |
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I don't see why flooring the vehicle from a stop is such a big deal. I've probably done it on every car I've owned since I was 16, even my Expedition. If the car couldn't handle full acceleration for some reason, they need to put a throttle lag in the computer. Surprised a major component of a german sports car would break so easily - unless the car was loaded with four obese passengers, or a trunk full of fertilizer, etc.
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It may not be the dealer's fault. Usually warranty claims in excess of a certain amount need BMW's consent. The dealer gets paid for warranty work from BMW so they normally love to do the work. I smell a bad field rep. No one would expect a rear end to break from just flooring the car unless the engine has been heavily modified, or unless you have a manual trans. and pop the clutch for a start at 6,000 RPM etc..
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Whomever says that a high performance sports vehicle (that has a feature labelled "Launch Control" which only function is to provide the car with the fastest acceleration possible when the vehicle is stationary) SHOULDN'T try to accelerate their vehicle in the aforementioned manner clearly doesn't know what they are talking about. Should he not use the windshield wipers as well? They could malfunction, and the dealer could say that "outside influences" (extra heavy rain drops) contributed to the problem.
Anyways, the exact same thing happened to me in my F10 M5. I got it towed to the dealer and they replaced it under warranty. I have forwarded my documentation to the OP. Hopefully, this will open the dealership's eyes and make them do right. |
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I am so depressed. I still do not have my car back, I have tried so many things. They are blaming my aftermarket 20 in wheels and multiple burnouts for the broken axle. I can not believe what a low blow the field adviser and dealership are throwing at me. The dealership wants to start charging $50.00 a day for a storage fee....I am going to let you guys review what I have been receiving, hopefully someone here can help me out.
Big thank you to Stephen Lui in Vancouver. I really do appreciate you taking the time to have those documents sent to me and also following up, there was no need to help a complete stranger but you did anyways, what a great guy. Below you will find what I am trying to send to BBB Auto line so they can reconsider opening my case, for some reason they didn't want to continue because this problem has not occurred 2 times. Last edited by someguy1993; 09-28-2015 at 04:27 PM.. |
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