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      05-22-2014, 07:01 PM   #23
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um yes it can. do you both have a PP performance M6? No. and the current stage of the M6 in this video was only stage 2 with 680bhp.. right now its pumping 720+ meaning its even faster..
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-25483.html

Intake, full exhaust, PP-VIP tune, 98 octane…. 124 trap
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Not sure if you actually watched the video you posted but you do realize the M6 had an 0.644 sec head start and still lost right?

And at the one mile mark the Aventador was going 13 kph faster, which is why the gap was widening.

The performance of the M6 in that race was honestly amazing. Seriously fantastic…. But to say it's as fast as an Aventador…. um… yeah
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AMS is working on a turbo upgrade for M5/M6 engines, should give about 95hp crank
Assuming the rods hold up the s63tu will RETARDED with a turbo upgrade…. can't wait.

A couple of vendors have indicated the limit of the rods is around 650hp.

Are you going to purchase the upgraded turbos?
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The Aventador's last run was a 10.5@133.6… DAMN
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First off, I doubt the 740hp quote.

Assuming 12% DT loss that would be 650whp. That would have to be 650whp SAE (not the higher reading STD) correction factor and repeatable. To be fair it should also be on an unbiased 3rd party dyno. Preferrably one that other known cars were dyno'ed on to have a reference point.

can we assume 20% DT loss for 700 HP AWD car and find 560 WHP?

I read about a lot of different cars on a lot of different forum. We all know there are a lot of high reading dynos. Especially vendor owned dyno's. I'm not going to name names, but if you read very much you already know of some examples.

I'm not trying to call you out, I'm just trying to keep us all honest. I'd be the first to congratulate anyone with a repeatable, SAE corrected, 650whp from a known realistic dyno.

Second, re-read my post. Of course I don't know the trap speed for this particular M6. It is unlikely, however, that this car traps 5mph faster than the two fastest documented trap speeds on this forum. HIGHLY unlikely. It's more likely that it's trap speeds are very similar to other cars with similar mods. Cars with similar mods seem to be trapping 125-128 (admittedly the number of data points remain low)…. but 133 would put this car WAY off the bell curve.

Finally… perform 100 roll races with different cars with known trap speeds. Barring irregularities including but not limited to wheel spin, incorrect initial gear, missed shift, or bouncing off the limiter… the car that traps higher will win the vast majority of the time. Not every time but the lion share. Trap speed is the single best indicator of performance in a roll race beginning at typical speeds i.e. 30-70mph.
I read your post and I'm not against the number you mentioned about trap speed. I just gave you raw data and tried to refer to the fact that a RWD car can keep up with an AWD car if it has much horse power and well designed. I also compared the R8 since it's aerodynamic shape is more close to Lambo. look at the data again. you can see in 50 km/h (most of the rolling races start at this speed) to 250 km/h (most of the rolling races finish at this speed) M6 is about 2 seconds ahead R8 and 1.3 second ahead GTR. this is what I was trying to say. I know Aventador has more power compare to R8 and GTR, but this particular M6 ( that is CLAIMED 740 HP) has more power than M6 CP too! and I know this is not a simple math to get decision by comparing numbers. I am just trying to say that It's not that easy to judge. you can easily say M6 can beat M5 in rolling or M5 can beat 911 C2S in rolling or RS7 can beat M6 in drag race, but you cannot say definitely Aventador can beat 740HP M6 in rolling! and again I said in real world numbers must be close... who wins? we have to see
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Not sure if you actually watched the video you posted but you do realize the M6 had an 0.644 sec head start and still lost right?

And at the one mile mark the Aventador was going 13 kph faster, which is why the gap was widening.

But to say it's as fast as an Aventador…. um… yeah
what the hell are you on about "did i watch the video" have you see the weight of the M6 compared to the aventador.. youre acting like the M6 is a full on supercar when the M6 isnt and for it to keep up with it that is insane. and I said if this was a drag race on an actual road the M6 would keep up with it (TALKING REALISTIC) a road will never stretch that far for these cars to get to that speed. Also did i talk about winning the race no I said fast and and keeping up. The first video karim posted is the updated version of that M6 it has nearly 740bhp. in the video i added it only had 680. 680 to 740 is a huge step.. meaning it would be faster. 0.644 headstart LOOOOOOOOOL where you there? stfu man. so what if it did even if it didnt it would still keep up with it. like I said its still fast as an Aventador and can keep up with it. 0000000.53358934393 milliseconds means nothing.

Lambo may have won the race but that BMW won in my mind: 50 less horsepower, RWD (which is a HUGE disadvantage off the line), and it weighs 783lbs more than the Aventador.

Mind blowing performance by the bimmer and its' driver.

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Not sure if you actually watched the video you posted but you do realize the M6 had an 0.644 sec head start and still lost right?

And at the one mile mark the Aventador was going 13 kph faster, which is why the gap was widening.

But to say it's as fast as an Aventador…. um… yeah
what the hell are you on about "did i watch the video" have you see the weight of the M6 compared to the aventador.. youre acting like the M6 is a full on supercar when the M6 isnt and for it to keep up with it that is insane. and I said if this was a drag race on an actual road the M6 would keep up with it (TALKING REALISTIC) a road will never stretch that far for these cars to get to that speed. Also did i talk about winning the race no I said fast and and keeping up. The first video karim posted is the updated version of that M6 it has nearly 740bhp. in the video i added it only had 680. 680 to 740 is a huge step.. meaning it would be faster. 0.644 headstart LOOOOOOOOOL where you there? stfu man. so what if it did even if it didnt it would still keep up with it. like I said its still fast as an Aventador and can keep up with it. 0000000.53358934393 milliseconds means nothing.
The end of the video shows the times including when the cars started out lol . .6 seconds is an eternity in drag racing and very difficult to overcome .
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I think everyone is getting carried away with the lambo. You are comparing a 280k car against a 80k car . It's like comparing a Boeing 747 with a F22. The M6 is a grand tourer, with comfort, power and style . The GTR and lambo are all about , look at me , I challenge you to a race .... The moral of the story is , I am saving up for a lambo !!!!....lol
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Umm no it can't lol . Aventadors run mid 10's at 133-134mph traps in the 1/4 mile . Tuned M6's are very fast , I have one, but lets not get carried away .
um yes it can. do you both have a PP performance M6? No. and the current stage of the M6 in this video was only stage 2 with 680bhp.. right now its pumping 720+ meaning its even faster..



theres the video and the proof. if that was in the real world meaning at a set of traffic lights it would keep up with it...

and +1 to everything that M6-Coupe said!
I have a 2014 CP M6 with Gruppe M intake , SS DP's , Akra full exhaust and BMS piggy back . I have no doubt my car could hang with that PP performance M6 given the performance numbers I've seen for them and I'm equally sure id lose to an Aventador 9/10 times .
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I have a 2014 CP M6 with Gruppe M intake , SS DP's , Akra full exhaust and BMS piggy back . I have no doubt my car could hang with that PP performance M6 given the performance numbers I've seen for them and I'm equally sure id lose to an Aventador 9/10 times .
But didn't you hate BMS piggy back? And still installed it on your car?
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I have a 2014 CP M6 with Gruppe M intake , SS DP's , Akra full exhaust and BMS piggy back . I have no doubt my car could hang with that PP performance M6 given the performance numbers I've seen for them and I'm equally sure id lose to an Aventador 9/10 times .
But didn't you hate BMS piggy back? And still installed it on your car?
I still wish there was a real tune but if there are only going to be piggybacks why pay 3,000 vs 400 . I still wouldn't run more than the base settings though , as I think it's unsafe to be running lean requiring race fuel for safe operation . I feel very safe running the base setting though as the CP actually tended to run rich up top during my data logging .
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what the hell are you on about "did i watch the video" have you see the weight of the M6 compared to the aventador.. youre acting like the M6 is a full on supercar when the M6 isnt and for it to keep up with it that is insane. and I said if this was a drag race on an actual road the M6 would keep up with it (TALKING REALISTIC) a road will never stretch that far for these cars to get to that speed. Also did i talk about winning the race no I said fast and and keeping up. The first video karim posted is the updated version of that M6 it has nearly 740bhp. in the video i added it only had 680. 680 to 740 is a huge step.. meaning it would be faster. 0.644 headstart LOOOOOOOOOL where you there? stfu man. so what if it did even if it didnt it would still keep up with it. like I said its still fast as an Aventador and can keep up with it. 0000000.53358934393 milliseconds means nothing.

Lambo may have won the race but that BMW won in my mind: 50 less horsepower, RWD (which is a HUGE disadvantage off the line), and it weighs 783lbs more than the Aventador.

Mind blowing performance by the bimmer and its' driver.
You know little about cars and nothing about drag racing.

Think about it this way… if the mags test the new M4 and get 12.3 that's fine but not terribly exciting. If the mags get 11.7… WoW... 6 tenths is a lot.

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I read your post and I'm not against the number you mentioned about trap speed. I just gave you raw data and tried to refer to the fact that a RWD car can keep up with an AWD car if it has much horse power and well designed. I also compared the R8 since it's aerodynamic shape is more close to Lambo. look at the data again. you can see in 50 km/h (most of the rolling races start at this speed) to 250 km/h (most of the rolling races finish at this speed) M6 is about 2 seconds ahead R8 and 1.3 second ahead GTR. this is what I was trying to say. I know Aventador has more power compare to R8 and GTR, but this particular M6 ( that is CLAIMED 740 HP) has more power than M6 CP too! and I know this is not a simple math to get decision by comparing numbers. I am just trying to say that It's not that easy to judge. you can easily say M6 can beat M5 in rolling or M5 can beat 911 C2S in rolling or RS7 can beat M6 in drag race, but you cannot say definitely Aventador can beat 740HP M6 in rolling! and again I said in real world numbers must be close... who wins? we have to see
Trap speed encompasses drive train configuration. Generally speaking a car the traps higher will win a roll race vs a car that traps lower independent of drive train configuration.

What your getting at are drivetrain losses. Frictional losses and rotational losses tend to be greater for awd vs rwd, however the days are over when awd was necessarily more inefficient than rwd. Mondern power trains are very efficient… the awd drivetrain in the GTR is more efficient than many rwd power trains.

The M5/6 also have a very efficient power train. I have not read anything that would allow me to have an understanding of how efficient or inefficient the Aventador power train is…. trap speed would seem to indicate it's rather efficient.

I get what you're saying, but trap speed well incorporates ALL factors except perhaps aero, including drive train configuration. Most STREET cars don't trap fast enough for aero to be a huge factor.

Don't put too much emphasis on a single article, but watch a lot of roll races of cars of know trap speed...
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But didn't you hate BMS piggy back? And still installed it on your car?
Power is a very serious drug
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Power is a very serious drug
It is, can't drive slower cars after 622whp m6 I really want to try out McLaren MP4 - not a bad price (unlike Aventador) and damn fast! 10.6 1/4.
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I thought I recognized the name. Impressive Mr Karim lol

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I thought I recognized the name. Impressive Mr Karim lol

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...oo-breach.html
Yeah I think it's him ...
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M6 coupe what car are you thinking to get next? M8 coupe?
Well I switched to M4 for now. My next car will be definitely M6 unless I see something special such as M8. Trust me every single day I miss the power of M6; however the nimbleness of M4 plus the Manual Transmission is lots of fun and I am enjoying for now
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M6 coupe what car are you thinking to get next? M8 coupe?
Well I switched to M4 for now. My next car will be definitely M6 unless I see something special such as M8. Trust me every single day I miss the power of M6; however the nimbleness of M4 plus the Manual Transmission is lots of fun and I am enjoying for now
O cool M4 is awesome what spec did you go for?
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