People frequently tip my BMW dealer courtesy van driver $5 or more. Am I a cheapskate for not tipping?

pz619 · 12-15-2025, 12:11 PM

I would tip wait staff, laborers (like car washes) and drivers (including shuttles). I'm far more hesitant on anything else.

But 100% agree that tipping is out of control. The most absurd was at a local driving range I topped off my range card with $200. First thing that popped up was asking if I wanted to tip 15%. No, I'm not giving you 30 dollars for pushing 3 buttons on the cash register.

ubercruise · 12-15-2025, 04:24 PM

I dunno, on one hand I agree tipping culture is indeed sometimes wacky in this country. On the other hand I'm part of the problem I guess because I like to tip well and frequently. For me, if I don't want to tip I can often quite easily avoid getting into situations where tipping is expected. I don't need to eat out, order food, get someone to drive me, etc if the tip is going to be an issue. Now when I get something that's counter service and they turn the ipad around for a tip, I might not do so if they're just grabbing me something off the shelf because that seems a bit much. But if you actually render a service for me? Sure. The main thing is what services expect a tip vs. which don't is pretty inconsistent. Also, I very infrequently carry cash these days so sometimes I won't tip if I don't have any on me and it's a small amount or not exactly expected, like in this situation. Just my 2 cents (a poor tip, I know), don't mean to get all anti-Mr. Pink in this thread I guess.

TL;DR I wouldn't really sweat it either way, but if I had the $5 on me I'd probably tip it.

Phillies8008 · 12-16-2025, 07:18 AM

The question is, where does it stop? Should we tip our mail carrier? After all, they put our mail in our mailbox. How about the person at McDonald's? They did the same thing as the person at Jersey Mike's that handed me a sandwich. How about Firemen or EMTs if they come to your house? Why not the checkout person at the grocery store?

I mean, if it makes sense to tip a bunch of the people who've now come to expect it, why not those folks? What's the difference between the two?

Tipping culture is out of hand and needs to stop. The original idea behind a tip was that it was used as an encouragement to go above and beyond, providing exemplary service. Now it's essentially just a surcharge, expected no matter how little or how good the service provided.

I tip when in the appropriate situation, but to be honest I'd rather we just pay people what they're worth rather than relying on some archaic, random system to (maybe) provide them with a living wage. It's stupid and makes zero sense. My dislike of tipping has nothing to do with being a cheapskate – I'd be fine with my meal being 20% more expensive if the money were going to the waitstaff so that they were paid a fair wage. Of course, that's the rub, but that's a different discussion.

DanG · 12-16-2025, 08:33 AM

Last time I needed a ride BMW Seattle called an Uber and they paid for it.

MisanoblueZ4 · 12-18-2025, 03:51 PM

No sorry, BMW charges inflated prices on service. Local dealer always bags me for “washer fluid” $4 when I come in for an oil change and there is a full tank of washer fluid already! Add to the CC service charge as has been discussed in another thread. Add up the amount of times your Nickle and dimed…..plus I don’t carry cash so not making a special trip to an atm ($4 withdrawal fee) to hand out a tip for a guy driving around all day (sweet gig no stress).

jkoral · 12-18-2025, 06:02 PM

Requested a quote from the tint shop, 1 hour work and was handed tablet with tip amount. I requested a quote and they set the price ($250), should have included all costs. I tipped but won't be going back there again.

afadeev · 12-18-2025, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mmm-five

Do you tip your FedEx/UPS/Amazon delivery driver as well?

No, but he doesn't drive me around.
I do tip airport hotel and remote parking-lot van drivers. And taxi/uber drivers, if their service deserves a tip.

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Originally Posted by Randall V

The problem is the money is really going into the hands of the business owners..

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Originally Posted by zx10guy

I agree this whole tipping thing has gotten way out of control.

I agree with the above sentiments, but it's also neither here nor there.
If you know the person who is providing you service depends on the tips to make ends meet, AND you can afford to tip, AND service deserves it - why not do it!?

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Originally Posted by Randall V

I think they should pay them a fair wage

There is not such thing as "fair wage". People on low end of the earning scale have near-zero bargaining power.

Also remember that "fair" - is everyone's 2nd most favorite 4-letter word that starts with an "F".

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maticCRO · 12-18-2025, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillies8008

The question is, where does it stop? Should we tip our mail carrier? After all, they put our mail in our mailbox. How about the person at McDonald's? They did the same thing as the person at Jersey Mike's that handed me a sandwich. How about Firemen or EMTs if they come to your house? Why not the checkout person at the grocery store?

I mean, if it makes sense to tip a bunch of the people who've now come to expect it, why not those folks? What's the difference between the two?

Tipping culture is out of hand and needs to stop. The original idea behind a tip was that it was used as an encouragement to go above and beyond, providing exemplary service. Now it's essentially just a surcharge, expected no matter how little or how good the service provided.

I tip when in the appropriate situation, but to be honest I'd rather we just pay people what they're worth rather than relying on some archaic, random system to (maybe) provide them with a living wage. It's stupid and makes zero sense. My dislike of tipping has nothing to do with being a cheapskate – I'd be fine with my meal being 20% more expensive if the money were going to the waitstaff so that they were paid a fair wage. Of course, that's the rub, but that's a different discussion.

Couldnt have said it better, agree with every single word here.
If we dont stop it, it gets hilariously out of proportion.
Why not tip in the future your kids Kindergarden staff, or elementary school, after all the are raising your kids to be great and smart people... Or policemen when they stop you doing some sh#t in your car, because they do improve safety and take care of you??
See where im going with this, tipping should be an icing on the cake for only examplary work yand only if you feel you want to leave that bonus.

Phillies8008 · 12-19-2025, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by afadeev

No, but he doesn't drive me around.
I do tip airport hotel and remote parking-lot van drivers. And taxi/uber drivers, if their service deserves a tip.

Why does it matter whether or not they drive you around? That seems like an odd dividing line. Why is driving a van deserving of a tip while delivering a package – which takes much more effort – not?

My bolding on your quote: this is the key part of the whole thing. I just fail to see how a courtesy van driver, nor 90% of the people who've suddenly come to expect a tip, has done anything to deserve one. He literally did the thing he was paid to do, nothing more and nothing less. If I had bags and he hopped out to get them out for me, then I could see the argument since he would've gone above and beyond. But just driving the van? No.

zx10guy · 12-19-2025, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by afadeev

I agree with the above sentiments, but it's also neither here nor there.
If you know the person who is providing you service depends on the tips to make ends meet, AND you can afford to tip, AND service deserves it - why not do it!?

How does one know? This out of control tipping environment now has expanded into occupations that tips were NEVER an expectation. It's not my place to subsidize an employer's low balling of wages.

As I said in other replies, I'm where I am financially because I care about every dollar that I spend. I can certainly piss away the money I have that most Americans do to have a very flashy lifestyle. But I don't. I grew up with basically nothing with immigrant parents that busted their ass working labor intensive and multiple jobs. I myself have worked as a server and laborer.

Per a previous reply in this thread, I tipped a lady that there wasn't an expectation for any tips...no tip jar in your face...no tip request in the credit card charge transaction. I tipped her because she did go above and beyond with her service and didn't expect a tip for doing so.

Phillies8008 · 12-19-2025, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by zx10guy

How does one know? This out of control tipping environment now has expanded into occupations that tips were NEVER an expectation. It's not my place to subsidize an employer's low balling of wages.

As I said in other replies, I'm where I am financially because I care about every dollar that I spend. I can certainly piss away the money I have that most Americans do to have a very flashy lifestyle. But I don't. I grew up with basically nothing with immigrant parents that busted their ass working labor intensive and multiple jobs. I myself have worked as a server and laborer.

Per a previous reply in this thread, I tipped a lady that there wasn't an expectation for any tips...no tip jar in your face...no tip request in the credit card charge transaction. I tipped her because she did go above and beyond with her service and didn't expect a tip for doing so.

Yep. Employers are absolutely using tipping as a tool to further under-pay employees. My son's employer shamelessly admitted it, telling him that though they pay minimum wage, he'd make up the difference in tips. It was a tacit admission that they purposefully under-pay with the expectation that their customers will make up the difference.

And the worst part: he was absolutely right. They do, and then some.

JonathanR · 12-19-2025, 09:13 AM

The driver is probably on minimum wage. So YES tip the guy, your driving a BMW!

Westside Guy · 12-19-2025, 09:59 AM

When I lived in NYC I always tipped my BMW and Mercedes dealer's courtesy van driver. It is no different than tipping a taxi or UBER driver.

The bottom line is that these drivers don't make a great deal of money. IMHO, if you can afford a luxury car, a tip like this isn't going to make or break you!

Westside Guy · 12-19-2025, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MisanoblueZ4

Local dealer always bags me for “washer fluid” $4 when I come in for an oil change and there is a full tank of washer fluid already!

My dealer does not charge for something like this and you should insist that they deduct this $4 charge from your bill. Don't let them nickel and dime you to death and threaten to take your car somewhere else for service!

SwankPeRFection · 12-19-2025, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by allinon72

I'm often conflicted because I like to reward people that have to work with the general population (been there), but at the same time the tipping thing has gotten completely out of control. Tipping should be a mechanism to reward exceptional service, not bolster someone's wages in lieu of their employer offering a decent wage (except those professions where it's understood that tips make up a large portion of their pay). The one time I got a ride home from the dealership (3 miles) it never crossed my mind to tip the guy.

My sentiments exactly. Far too many people expect tips for the sake of a tip, not as additional collateral for going above and beyond the scope of their job.

tranquility · 12-19-2025, 11:02 AM

Man, I wish we all turned Japanese lol: I remember tipping while visiting and the guy RAN after me to give it back. They were very friendly but I think it's almost an insult that one tries to tip there for *something that they are expected to do in the first place*. That's their custom.

Now, I know many of us live in N Amer and we have our own customs and I'm fine w tipping BUT it must be for something that deserves one and not for doing basic things. I don't mind (or care) if one wants to tip all over the place but hate it when ppl *expect* other ppl to tip, guilt-tripping them...and most of the time it's not even cuz the person deserved it, just that other ppl are doing it wth. Why? You can be the smuck or generous person (however you view it) but just as I don't care if you tip, ppl shouldn't care if I don't, and ofc I tip when it's appropriate, e.g. hairdresser, waiters, etc but for a *courtesy* driver, for takeout? Why? Cuz he didn't get into an accident? Cuz they made the food that I ordered without finding a cockroach in there? Lmao. What did they do to deserve one?

Tipping is way outta control and many ppl are just brainwashed into accepting this crazy phenomenon. Tipping is always *merit*-based for me, period. If you wanna supplement other ppl's income, be my guest, just don't even try to tip-shame me. I'm the one who will never fail those social experiments and will intentionally face backwards in elevators if I have to or insist that 1+1=2 despite a whole room of automatons saying it is 3.

This just happened yesterday and was a bit ironic. I was craving some pizza so I ordered and went to pick it up. I paid by cc and they had those stupid prompts for 15%, 20% whatever, but I always put zero. However, it is the xmas season and I felt good and whenever I tip I usually do them a favor and don't put it on the cc and prefer giving cash, so after I tapped my cc I was gonna take out some cash but the lady didn't even say "thank you" for the transaction and just walked away. I can only guess it was because she noticed I didn't leave a cc tip. Funny, so I guess I saved myself $5. What a crazy entitled rude attitude many ppl have instilled into them these days. What exactly was any tip for: did I put in a special rush order for the pizza to be ready in 30 seconds? Did they throw in extra toppings? Ridiculous.

M3Sleeper · 12-19-2025, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillies8008

You have to fight tooth-and-nail with my dealer to get a loaner. It's a total PITA, and if there was another one a reasonable distance away I'd go there instead.

my dealer will drive the loaner too me wherever I am at. My office, my home, or anywhere I tell them to come to.

I always get a car at least the same level or the next one up.

so if Im driving the X5 I get an X5 or 5 series or better.

If im driving the M3 they give me an X3 or something similar.

I have had this setup for 15 years now. All my cars get picked up and delivered after.

Phillies8008 · 12-19-2025, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by M3Sleeper

my dealer will drive the loaner too me wherever I am at. My office, my home, or anywhere I tell them to come to.

I always get a car at least the same level or the next one up.

so if Im driving the X5 I get an X5 or 5 series or better.

If im driving the M3 they give me an X3 or something similar.

I have had this setup for 15 years now. All my cars get picked up and delivered after.

Must be nice! I wish there was more uniformity in the dealership experience, but here we are.

allinon72 · 12-19-2025, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by M3Sleeper

my dealer will drive the loaner too me wherever I am at. My office, my home, or anywhere I tell them to come to.

I always get a car at least the same level or the next one up.

so if Im driving the X5 I get an X5 or 5 series or better.

If im driving the M3 they give me an X3 or something similar.

I have had this setup for 15 years now. All my cars get picked up and delivered after.

My wife and I used to at least get a BMW loaner. Now we get dirty Hyundai Sonatas. AKA ordinary rental cars. We don't bother anymore, we just drop the car off.

afadeev · 12-20-2025, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillies8008

Why does it matter whether or not they drive you around? That seems like an odd dividing line. Why is driving a van deserving of a tip while delivering a package – which takes much more effort – not?

Simple - in one case YOU get driven around and have an opportunity to observe quality of service as it is delivered to YOU. It is a personal experience.
In the other - your package is one of a dozen or a hundred other boxes stacked in the back of the van, and gets dropped off at your doorstep. It is an impersonal experience.

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Originally Posted by Phillies8008

My bolding on your quote: this is the key part of the whole thing. I just fail to see how a courtesy van driver, nor 90% of the people who've suddenly come to expect a tip, has done anything to deserve one.

If he does - he does.
If he doesn't - he doesn't.

You are way over-thinking this!

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Originally Posted by zx10guy

How does one know? This out of control tipping environment now has expanded into occupations that tips were NEVER an expectation.

Again - a personal service interaction has always been an opportunity to reward someone for a job well done. This has been the norm throughout my lifetime, and has nothing to do with the recent tip-cashier-terminal-prompt epidemic.

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Originally Posted by zx10guy

As I said in other replies, I'm where I am financially because I care about every dollar that I spend.

If you can't afford it - no-one will force you.
But everyone indulges in discretionary spending, more often than we care to count. Tipping is another one of those events, if the service deserves it.

Don't over think it, and don't get distracted with political crap!

IMHO,
a

Westside Guy · 12-21-2025, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by afadeev

Simple - in one case YOU get driven around and have an opportunity to observe quality of service as it is delivered to YOU. It is a personal experience.
In the other - your package is one of a dozen or a hundred other boxes stacked in the back of the van, and gets dropped off at your doorstep. It is an impersonal experience.

If he does - he does.
If he doesn't - he doesn't.

You are way over-thinking this!

Again - a personal service interaction has always been an opportunity to reward someone for a job well done. This has been the norm throughout my lifetime, and has nothing to do with the recent tip-cashier-terminal-prompt epidemic.

If you can't afford it - no-one will force you.
But everyone indulges in discretionary spending, more often than we care to count. Tipping is another one of those events, if the service deserves it.

Don't over think it, and don't get distracted with political crap!

IMHO,
a

I don't always agree with you but IMHO on this topic you are 100% correct!

Reborn_ · 12-21-2025, 09:49 AM

The tipping of the cashier for takeaway food kills me every time. If I'm feeling generous, or it's mom and pop, I will do it, but 90% of the time no tip there.

I have a masseuse that comes to my house. I tip her 20% even though every dollar is going straight to her. I have a car wash guy that comes to my house. I tip him ~10-20% (depending on how many cars he did) even though every dollar is going straight to him. Some of this is because I feel they gave me a great price in the first place, so I'm trying to "make it up."

Here's one: Doing a $10k+ job on the house with a legitimate contractor; do you tip each of the 4 guys on the crew? And how much?

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ubercruise Captain 1700 Rep 986 Posts Drives: 2024 iX 50 Join Date: Jan 2024 Location: PHX, USA iTrader: (0)	I dunno, on one hand I agree tipping culture is indeed sometimes wacky in this country. On the other hand I'm part of the problem I guess because I like to tip well and frequently. For me, if I don't want to tip I can often quite easily avoid getting into situations where tipping is expected. I don't need to eat out, order food, get someone to drive me, etc if the tip is going to be an issue. Now when I get something that's counter service and they turn the ipad around for a tip, I might not do so if they're just grabbing me something off the shelf because that seems a bit much. But if you actually render a service for me? Sure. The main thing is what services expect a tip vs. which don't is pretty inconsistent. Also, I very infrequently carry cash these days so sometimes I won't tip if I don't have any on me and it's a small amount or not exactly expected, like in this situation. Just my 2 cents (a poor tip, I know), don't mean to get all anti-Mr. Pink in this thread I guess. TL;DR I wouldn't really sweat it either way, but if I had the $5 on me I'd probably tip it. __________________ 2024 iX xDrive50 \| Dark Graphite Metallic \| Black Int. \| DAPP \| Conv. \| Sport / 21" DB \| 11/2025.50
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Phillies8008 Lieutenant Colonel 3492 Rep 1,838 Posts Drives: BMWs, duh Join Date: Dec 2023 Location: SC, USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2026 BMW Z4 M40i [9.50] 2024 BMW i4 e40 [9.50] 2006 BMW Z4M [10.00]	The question is, where does it stop? Should we tip our mail carrier? After all, they put our mail in our mailbox. How about the person at McDonald's? They did the same thing as the person at Jersey Mike's that handed me a sandwich. How about Firemen or EMTs if they come to your house? Why not the checkout person at the grocery store? I mean, if it makes sense to tip a bunch of the people who've now come to expect it, why not those folks? What's the difference between the two? Tipping culture is out of hand and needs to stop. The original idea behind a tip was that it was used as an encouragement to go above and beyond, providing exemplary service. Now it's essentially just a surcharge, expected no matter how little or how good the service provided. I tip when in the appropriate situation, but to be honest I'd rather we just pay people what they're worth rather than relying on some archaic, random system to (maybe) provide them with a living wage. It's stupid and makes zero sense. My dislike of tipping has nothing to do with being a cheapskate – I'd be fine with my meal being 20% more expensive if the money were going to the waitstaff so that they were paid a fair wage. Of course, that's the rub, but that's a different discussion.
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MisanoblueZ4 Lieutenant Colonel 4992 Rep 1,898 Posts Drives: 2021 Z4 M40I Join Date: Sep 2023 Location: South Carolina iTrader: (0)	No sorry, BMW charges inflated prices on service. Local dealer always bags me for “washer fluid” $4 when I come in for an oil change and there is a full tank of washer fluid already! Add to the CC service charge as has been discussed in another thread. Add up the amount of times your Nickle and dimed…..plus I don’t carry cash so not making a special trip to an atm ($4 withdrawal fee) to hand out a tip for a guy driving around all day (sweet gig no stress).
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jkoral Colonel 1355 Rep 2,225 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 LBB 6MT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: MA iTrader: (7)	Requested a quote from the tint shop, 1 hour work and was handed tablet with tip amount. I requested a quote and they set the price ($250), should have included all costs. I tipped but won't be going back there again.
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12-19-2025, 09:13 AM	#34
JonathanR Registered 6 Rep 2 Posts Drives: Join Date: Nov 2025 iTrader: (0)	The driver is probably on minimum wage. So YES tip the guy, your driving a BMW!
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12-19-2025, 11:02 AM	#38
tranquility sportscars only 3811 Rep 3,359 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	Man, I wish we all turned Japanese lol: I remember tipping while visiting and the guy RAN after me to give it back. They were very friendly but I think it's almost an insult that one tries to tip there for something that they are expected to do in the first place. That's their custom. Now, I know many of us live in N Amer and we have our own customs and I'm fine w tipping BUT it must be for something that deserves one and not for doing basic things. I don't mind (or care) if one wants to tip all over the place but hate it when ppl expect other ppl to tip, guilt-tripping them...and most of the time it's not even cuz the person deserved it, just that other ppl are doing it wth. Why? You can be the smuck or generous person (however you view it) but just as I don't care if you tip, ppl shouldn't care if I don't, and ofc I tip when it's appropriate, e.g. hairdresser, waiters, etc but for a courtesy driver, for takeout? Why? Cuz he didn't get into an accident? Cuz they made the food that I ordered without finding a cockroach in there? Lmao. What did they do to deserve one? Tipping is way outta control and many ppl are just brainwashed into accepting this crazy phenomenon. Tipping is always merit-based for me, period. If you wanna supplement other ppl's income, be my guest, just don't even try to tip-shame me. I'm the one who will never fail those social experiments and will intentionally face backwards in elevators if I have to or insist that 1+1=2 despite a whole room of automatons saying it is 3. This just happened yesterday and was a bit ironic. I was craving some pizza so I ordered and went to pick it up. I paid by cc and they had those stupid prompts for 15%, 20% whatever, but I always put zero. However, it is the xmas season and I felt good and whenever I tip I usually do them a favor and don't put it on the cc and prefer giving cash, so after I tapped my cc I was gonna take out some cash but the lady didn't even say "thank you" for the transaction and just walked away. I can only guess it was because she noticed I didn't leave a cc tip. Funny, so I guess I saved myself $5. What a crazy entitled rude attitude many ppl have instilled into them these days. What exactly was any tip for: did I put in a special rush order for the pizza to be ready in 30 seconds? Did they throw in extra toppings? Ridiculous. __________________ The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation...It's bullsh*t. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal...Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy?
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Reborn_ Lieutenant 361 Rep 441 Posts Drives: '22 X5 s-drive40i; '07 Z4MC Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: SoCal iTrader: (7)	The tipping of the cashier for takeaway food kills me every time. If I'm feeling generous, or it's mom and pop, I will do it, but 90% of the time no tip there. I have a masseuse that comes to my house. I tip her 20% even though every dollar is going straight to her. I have a car wash guy that comes to my house. I tip him ~10-20% (depending on how many cars he did) even though every dollar is going straight to him. Some of this is because I feel they gave me a great price in the first place, so I'm trying to "make it up." Here's one: Doing a $10k+ job on the house with a legitimate contractor; do you tip each of the 4 guys on the crew? And how much?
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