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      10-18-2020, 08:31 PM   #397
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I think the guys working on this know how much EVERYONE hates the 4 series grill and put an extra short opening on the camouflage over this one.
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Ok so we all know the current gen m235i xdrive sedan has a b48 under the hood. We also have come to be fond of the m2 because of it's size and relative similarities to the original M3. Imagine this. BMW having already designed the g chassis 2 series to be powered by a 4 cylinder mill decides to have BMW M designe an S variant of the B48 which can already derive from its P48 variant in the 4 series DTM cars. Mates it to RWD and a 6 speed manual. This would be a modern day return to the original M3. Not to mention the m235i weighs in at 2600lbs as a sedan with xdrive. A 450 hp m2 weighing in at 2500lbs would have the same power to weight ratio as a 650hp s55 powered M2comp. And for a competition example the new m2 could feature an xdrive system much like the new m3/m4 with available rwd capability. Thoughts anyone?
I don't know how you are getting these weights because they are wrong by more than 1000 lbs! Lol

All I know is next time I weigh myself I hope you are the one who designed the scale!!!
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Great that it seems to not have huge kidneys. Hope that it didn’t grow very much.
Scott26 has said the next 2er is going to have the bigger/longer grilles, but not as extreme as the new 4er. I'm hoping it will be like the 3.0 CSL Homage Concept.

This is being different without destroying the design. Not the current G80 garbage.

Not sure why they couldn't do this with the G80
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Great that it seems to not have huge kidneys. Hope that it didn't grow very much.
Scott26 has said the next 2er is going to have the bigger/longer grilles, but not as extreme as the new 4er. I'm hoping it will be like the 3.0 CSL Homage Concept.

This is being different without destroying the design. Not the current G80 garbage.

Not sure why they couldn't do this with the G80
I agree. This isn't bad. The new 4 is just god awful. I just saw an ad for it and BMW only show the back 3/4 view. Hahahah

Looking forward to an M2 with and S58 and 6MT.
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Looks bigger than the old one so not the same size as the e46m3 which was one of the bonuses of the old one that it had the same wheel base as the e46
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On the subject of weight, can we at least hope that they don't make the sunroof standard on the 330?
For US market? no way
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Looks bigger than the old one so not the same size as the e46m3 which was one of the bonuses of the old one that it had the same wheel base as the e46
G29 is 97.2". Add a back seat.
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The size looks right as does its silhouette. I hope the build quality is better than current gen 2 series coupes. The G87 in RWD, S58 engine, under 3500lbs, with carbon bucket seats will be a winning recipe!!
What's wrong with the F22 build quality? I had an M240i for 3 years and I never had a single complaint about build quality.
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This is being different without destroying the design. Not the current G80 garbage.

Not sure why they couldn't do this with the G80
less ugly but still ugly. why. why bmw? Did the company never hear of focus groups?

On a wide, low car a tall grill looks ugly and makes the car look ungainly. If BMW designers feel a need to stretch the grill, stretch it horizontally, not vertically. The current Merc grills are so much nicer.
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The size looks right as does its silhouette. I hope the build quality is better than current gen 2 series coupes. The G87 in RWD, S58 engine, under 3500lbs, with carbon bucket seats will be a winning recipe!!
What's wrong with the F22 build quality? I had an M240i for 3 years and I never had a single complaint about build quality.
Particularly interior and trim quality, use of materials such as harder plastics and attention to details when compared to say a 3 series.
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The size looks right as does its silhouette. I hope the build quality is better than current gen 2 series coupes. The G87 in RWD, S58 engine, under 3500lbs, with carbon bucket seats will be a winning recipe!!
What's wrong with the F22 build quality? I had an M240i for 3 years and I never had a single complaint about build quality.
Particularly interior and trim quality, use of materials such as harder plastics and attention to details when compared to say a 3 series.
The M2/M2C does have more hard plastic, but the quality of the materials are superb. Fit and finish is as good as any BMW sold today.
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Oops; meant 230.
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Really my only concern about the G87 is if they can keep the weight reasonable, and if carbon buckets will be available.

Everything else should be one step up from the current M2C, which is a legendary car as far as I'm concerned. Steering will evolve, interior will be on par with 3 series/X3 which is a big jump, S58 with 6MT will be a known quantity from the M3/4.

If this ends up being the last 3 pedal M car, I have almost no choice but to make room for one
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The size looks right as does its silhouette. I hope the build quality is better than current gen 2 series coupes. The G87 in RWD, S58 engine, under 3500lbs, with carbon bucket seats will be a winning recipe!!
What's wrong with the F22 build quality? I had an M240i for 3 years and I never had a single complaint about build quality.
Particularly interior and trim quality, use of materials such as harder plastics and attention to details when compared to say a 3 series.
The M2/M2C does have more hard plastic, but the quality of the materials are superb. Fit and finish is as good as any BMW sold today.
It's kinda interesting and depends on perspective...having taken a "step down" from a couple 3 series to the M2, I definitely agree the interior feels a bit cheap, or at least lacking some luxury. But my wife, who's DD is a 4 runner, and other friends look at the interior and think it's really nice.

At any rate, it makes no difference to me. It's nice enough for my tastes without being over the top. I wasn't looking for fancy, just some basic creature comforts and a car that was fun as hell to drive.
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The size looks right as does its silhouette. I hope the build quality is better than current gen 2 series coupes. The G87 in RWD, S58 engine, under 3500lbs, with carbon bucket seats will be a winning recipe!!
The G87 M2 will be over 3,500 pounds, not under.
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Great that it seems to not have huge kidneys. Hope that it didn't grow very much.
Scott26 has said the next 2er is going to have the bigger/longer grilles, but not as extreme as the new 4er. I'm hoping it will be like the 3.0 CSL Homage Concept.

[img]https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/jp...ild-the--8.jpg[/img]
This is being different without destroying the design. Not the current G80 garbage.

Not sure why they couldn't do this with the G80
I could look at that all day.
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With the G80/82 series...

The new double claws style digital instrument cluster is

Give me back that classic BMW cluster or give me a true racing style cluster dominated by a tachometer, a speedo with EGT, water temp and oil temp readings on the side

I am quite disappointed with the amount of weight gain but guess there isn't much Markus Flasch's team can do as they are constrained by the inherent footprint of the G20/22 chassis

I am resting my hope on the G87 M2
I hear you, at least give us an analogue rpm centered to the driver flanked by digital displays. Kinda like Porsche, minus the different pods for each display
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I think G42 will be similar to G29 with roof, back seat & bigger trunk.
So basically a 2+2 Supra with a back seat (and better styling!)
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