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      11-22-2020, 07:25 PM   #23
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Just as long as they make 'em look like an i8 and not an i3. ;P
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O. Zipse: “The architecture and technical components of the iX are indeed fully ready for Level 3 autonomy where the driver no longer has to play an active role on certain routes. However, we have to take into account that we sell our cars all over the world and the legislation in this area varies quite a bit from country to country. In the United States, more is possible in this area than, for example, in Europe. Germany allows us to offer Level 3 autonomy at speeds up to 60 km / h, but it is not possible above that. Technologically we can handle more, but it may not be rolled out yet. In any case, a uniform European legislative framework would be very useful in that sense. ”
I'm afraid OEM future focus lies heavily on autonomous driving and I can't see that combine well with making (affordable) cars that are engaging to drive (on public roads).
I hope I'm wrong and I know it's not mutually exclusive but I feel we're already heading that way.

'The ultimate driving machine' has to become 'The ultimate machine to be driven in' or so it seems.
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Just as long as they make 'em look like an i8 and not an i3. ;P
They're more likely to make them look like an angry pig than either the i8 or i3.
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Maybe the US will stick with the outdated combustion concept but not the rest of the world and surely not EU. After yesterdays decisions on German Autogipfel (Car Summit) it‘s clear. Or like the ancient Romans said: alea iacta est!
So they decided that electric cars are going to be coming very soon or can it still be in distant future ?
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They're more likely to make them look like an angry pig than either the i8 or i3.
Angry pig would be better. But the new ones are worse than that; they are oafish and fat pigs. Ready for slaughter but not for driving.
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Maybe the US will stick with the outdated combustion concept but not the rest of the world and surely not EU. After yesterdays decisions on German Autogipfel (Car Summit) it‘s clear. Or like the ancient Romans said: alea iacta est!
North America is large and spread out so it's going to take a lot longer here for the infrastructure to be in place so it's no surprise EV sales are very low in North America compared to EU. I'm sure people in EU feel the same about us but most North Americans don't really care much about what EU is doing with all their EV laws. Gasoline is cheap here so car buyers don't have a lot of motivation to switch to EV especially with the current limited ranges they offer between charges.
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Maybe the US will stick with the outdated combustion concept but not the rest of the world and surely not EU. After yesterdays decisions on German Autogipfel (Car Summit) it's clear. Or like the ancient Romans said: alea iacta est!
North America is large and spread out so it's going to take a lot longer here for the infrastructure to be in place so it's no surprise EV sales are very low in North America compared to EU. I'm sure people in EU feel the same about us but most North Americans don't really care much about what EU is doing with all their EV laws. Gasoline is cheap here so car buyers don't have a lot of motivation to switch to EV especially with the current limited ranges they offer between charges.
I agree I feel like it won't be standard here for a LONG time.

With that said its been said that in 2024 the next gen m5 will be made in BEV/PHEV. This change makes me wonder if gas will disappear sooner than we think, or not.
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I agree I feel like it won't be standard here for a LONG time.

With that said its been said that in 2024 the next gen m5 will be made in BEV/PHEV. This change makes me wonder if gas will disappear sooner than we think, or not.
Nope. M5 sales are miniscule. It won't happen until they become affordable for the masses at entry level mid-size and compact pricing. Even at that pickup truck sales in North America are massive so it's going to take even longer to phase in EV pickup trucks that are affordable.
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I agree I feel like it won't be standard here for a LONG time.

With that said its been said that in 2024 the next gen m5 will be made in BEV/PHEV. This change makes me wonder if gas will disappear sooner than we think, or not.
Nope. M5 sales are miniscule. It won't happen until they become affordable for the masses at entry level mid-size and compact pricing. Even at that pickup truck sales in North America are massive so it's going to take even longer to phase in EV pickup trucks that are affordable.
If affordability is the only holdback aren't the prices going to come down real fast then? The government is also giving out incentives to push people towards EV and help lower the costs.
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