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      09-18-2020, 01:29 AM   #353
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Unfortunately it's already extremely clear the incoming 2er Coupe has increased in size and weight
Size one can see but how are you able to estimate the weight from the photos, or is there other evidence? Are you assuming increased size without weight saving measures?
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Unfortunately it's already extremely clear the incoming 2er Coupe has increased in size and weight
Size one can see but how are you able to estimate the weight from the photos, or is there other evidence? Are you assuming increased size without weight saving measures?
Unless they are using a Carbon Core it will weigh more without question

It seems logical if you think about it
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It looks a little odd in the rear but I like it
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I thought that the G42 might achieve some weight reduction given that the G20 did so relative to its predecessor, the dimensionally smaller F30, with both series transitioning to CLAR from, I believe, the same previous platform.
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Gents,

The F87 M2C is a 3600 pound tank . . . if you accept it for what it is, adds up to a great daily enthusiastic driving experience.

I fully anticipate the G87 will weigh in at around the same 3600 pound heifer point. . . and will offer similar enjoyment toward daily enthusiastic driving.

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I am hopeful for this car, should be my replacement for the G20. This and G87 are the two I am interested in and most likely may end up with both. G87 may be last modern M car that peaks my interest. It maybe all downhill from here with ICE becoming obsolete. That's more of an issue than even the size since I am not ready for EV.
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The 3 series has grown to the point where I feel the G20 is probably the last 3'er I'll own. I thought the current 2'er was a tad too small so hoping the G87 dimensions come in around the size of the E92 which would be perfect
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I thought that the G42 might achieve some weight reduction given that the G20 did so relative to its predecessor, the dimensionally smaller F30, with both series transitioning to CLAR from, I believe, the same previous platform.
but i think the 2 series going to the clar platform, is a bigger jump in platform size than the 3 series going clar from its prior platform.

maybe once they decided to keep the 2 series rather than nix it, the only way was to leverage a shared platform, the clar, otherwise it wasnt going to be worth it to keep the 2 series.

but in doing so they knew i think, the 2 series replacement g42 was not going to any longer have a mere evolutionary size bump, but a sizeable increase.

it looks to be so in the spy shots the past couple of months.
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but i think the 2 series going to the clar platform, is a bigger jump in platform size than the 3 series going clar from its prior platform.

maybe once they decided to keep the 2 series rather than nix it, the only way was to leverage a shared platform, the clar, otherwise it wasnt going to be worth it to keep the 2 series.

but in doing so they knew i think, the 2 series replacement g42 was not going to any longer have a mere evolutionary size bump, but a sizeable increase.

it looks to be so in the spy shots the past couple of months.
CLAR doesnít mean it has to grow though. The G29 is built on the CLAR platform and it shorter in length than the current 2 series. Add back seats to the G29 and it still isnít a big car, probably about the same length as the e46 coupe
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CLAR doesnít mean it has to grow though. The G29 is built on the CLAR platform and it shorter in length than the current 2 series. Add back seats to the G29 and it still isnít a big car, probably about the same length as the e46 coupe
I think G42 will be similar to G29 with roof, back seat & bigger trunk.
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CLAR doesnít mean it has to grow though. The G29 is built on the CLAR platform and it shorter in length than the current 2 series. Add back seats to the G29 and it still isnít a big car, probably about the same length as the e46 coupe
i see that you're right. in which case, with the photos seen so far, the rear seat leg room of the g42 better of grown by six inches.
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Even with CLAR the car can still grow in size and weight. Remember when BMW touted the G20 as being lighter by 150lbs compared to the F30, when in reality they were referring to the platform and not the actual car's total curb weight.

Given BMW's history, I would be absolutely shocked, if this did not grow at all in any shape, weight, size, form, etc.
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Z4 & Supra are also on the CLAR platform

Rumour is that the G2 will be based on their platform...
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Z4 & Supra are also on the CLAR platform

Rumour is that the G2 will be based on their platform...
Looks good but still big.

I like that the profile is returning more to the E8X generation 1-series more boxy and classic BMW.

Just wish they keep the size and weight down
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On the subject of weight, can we at least hope that they don't make the sunroof standard on the 330?
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Nothing unexpected with the 'big' G80/82 release today . . . hideous and heavy as shit (RWD 3900 lbs).

G87 just keeps sounding better and better . . . and I have plenty of F87 time to wait.

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///AVM is right again. The new M3/M4 is hideous and weighs 3,900 pounds for the RWD version. The AWD version will be 4,000 pounds plus and you will feel the weight in turns around town.
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Nothing unexpected with the 'big' G80/82 release today . . . hideous and heavy as shit (RWD 3900 lbs).

G87 just keeps sounding better and better . . . and I have plenty of F87 time to wait.

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I now worry that the G87 will follow the G80 and also weigh more... hopefully the opposite will happen.
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As much as the newly released M3/4 continue to make my stomach churn, I sure hope the G87 M2C inherits those fucking sweat-ass seats!

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As much as the newly released M3/4 continue to make my stomach churn, I sure hope the G87 M2C inherits those fucking sweat-ass seats!

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With the G80/82 series...

The new double claws style digital instrument cluster is

Give me back that classic BMW cluster or give me a true racing style cluster dominated by a tachometer, a speedo with EGT, water temp and oil temp readings on the side

I am quite disappointed with the amount of weight gain but guess there isn't much Markus Flasch's team can do as they are constrained by the inherent footprint of the G20/22 chassis

I am resting my hope on the G87 M2
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