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      12-02-2019, 11:32 AM   #1189
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      12-02-2019, 12:36 PM   #1191
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What do you smoke on? Temp?
That's on a Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker, AKA "bullet." Royal Oak lump charcoal for fuel with some hickory chunks for smoke. I did it at 290 degrees, to give it that nice mahogany color. It's not a traditional "low and slow" barbecue cut where you have a lot of connective tissue to break down, like a pork butt. You're basically baking it in a smoky oven. You can cook it at 225 degrees and have it taste exactly the same, but it'll take a lot longer and not get very brown.

I always brine my turkeys. I use 3/4 cup of kosher salt and 3/4 cup of table sugar per gallon of water - 4 gallons of water in a food-grade plastic bucket. This one was in brine for 6 days, though that's overkill time-wise. 2 or 3 days is plenty.
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      12-02-2019, 07:15 PM   #1192
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That's on a Weber Smokey Mountain Cooker, AKA "bullet." Royal Oak lump charcoal for fuel with some hickory chunks for smoke. I did it at 290 degrees, to give it that nice mahogany color. It's not a traditional "low and slow" barbecue cut where you have a lot of connective tissue to break down, like a pork butt. You're basically baking it in a smoky oven. You can cook it at 225 degrees and have it taste exactly the same, but it'll take a lot longer and not get very brown.

I always brine my turkeys. I use 3/4 cup of kosher salt and 3/4 cup of table sugar per gallon of water - 4 gallons of water in a food-grade plastic bucket. This one was in brine for 6 days, though that's overkill time-wise. 2 or 3 days is plenty.
I did the same for a friends giving. Did 2 20 lb birds. Brining is key and yes it is much more of a bake. You really don't want to slow cook big birds as I am sure you are aware.
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      12-02-2019, 11:23 PM   #1193
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I did the same for a friends giving. Did 2 20 lb birds. Brining is key and yes it is much more of a bake. You really don't want to slow cook big birds as I am sure you are aware.
Hard to do an A-B direct comparison of a bird cooked at 225 versus an identical bird done at 300, but from my experience a bird cooked at a lower temp tends to dry out a bit, likely due to the prolonged exposure and the resulting evaporation losses. You also don't get the lovely color like you do when you cook at the hotter temps. Same goes for big birds. I've done a couple of 20-pounders, but that's pushing it. Anything much bigger, and it's hard to get it done without the outside of the breast getting dry. You can foil the breast for part of the cook, but then you end up with uneven color and/or doneness.

Turkeys are honestly the hardest cut I smoke, and the most stressful cook I do all year. I can do briskets in my sleep and get solid-to-stellar results with zero stress. But having a dozen foodies and very accomplished cooks waiting inside while I cook the main dish of a once-a-year meal is way tougher. I haven't blown one yet, thankfully. By my count this was 29th consecutive smoked Thanksgiving turkey.
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      12-03-2019, 12:32 AM   #1194
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mine was 22lbs, I ran it at 275, i brined it, roasted it over a pan filled with carrots, celery, onion, browned turkey neck and tail, and chicken stock, I basted with melted butter and herbs.

I could not have been happier with the results, super juicy, and the gravy I made from that pan was insane.
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      12-03-2019, 10:19 AM   #1195
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A few years back we did our back-yard birds, one was 50lbs dressed!!! I think we did about 9 hours at 325.
Because we always (now) inject them with Italian dressing to the point the skin pops up with all the fluid inside, they remain moist even after that long in the heat.

Somehow an extra bird showed up on my doorstep this year, 13lbs IIRC. Black Friday I bought a new electric smoker, set it to 240, and left that in there with a mix of apple/pecan chips, and the bowl full of Cabernet. The breast strips immediately under the skin were a little stringy for about 2mm, but then it was tender and juicy all thru. The only other thing I did after washing it was to put some sage in the 2 cavities.
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A few years back we did our back-yard birds, one was 50lbs dressed!!!
Holy balls...you sure that wasn't an ostrich?

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Somehow an extra bird showed up on my doorstep this year, 13lbs IIRC. Black Friday I bought a new electric smoker, set it to 240, and left that in there with a mix of apple/pecan chips, and the bowl full of Cabernet. The breast strips immediately under the skin were a little stringy for about 2mm, but then it was tender and juicy all thru. The only other thing I did after washing it was to put some sage in the 2 cavities.
Sounds yummy. How was the color? Birds I've done at that temp or lower were a not-so-appealing pale grayish beige.
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      12-03-2019, 10:34 AM   #1197
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Holy balls...you sure that wasn't an ostrich?

Heritage breeds get big

Sounds yummy. How was the color? Birds I've done at that temp or lower were a not-so-appealing pale grayish beige.
It was a beautiful tan, with crinkly skin!
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So with all the college football going on Saturday I planned on smoking a butt. I was going to get up at like 5am Saturday morning, start the egg, and have it ready for dinner during the Clemson game. But Friday night my wife and I attended an engagement party that, ended up at a bar and then a house party, so I woke up Saturday morning at about 9am. We still had people coming over for the game so I made a turbo butt. I ran the Egg at around 350 until the butt hit 210 internal. The bottom burned a little but other than that it was great.

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      12-12-2019, 02:15 PM   #1199
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I'm doing a built in BBQ now that finally side yard is getting hardscaped and after doing a bit of research so far I've decided to go with Firemagic, does anyone have experience with their products? Id love to go bigger than 30" but there is simply no space for it. Any info is greatly appreciated!

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      12-12-2019, 05:14 PM   #1200
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I built mine a year and change ago, I went with Firemagic for the grill and side burner. They are both very nice and I would definitely recommend them.

I have used my grill for many things, obviously as a gas grill, Ive used it to 'finish' steaks that I seared in a pan, roasting veggies, potatoes, I've used the rotisserie, and I have the charcoal basket that they sell.

A couple of observations. The side burner doesn't really have a 'low' setting, which makes sense being an outdoor burner, if it goes really low it could be blown out and then you are just pumping natural gas (or propane). So, its not great for simmering sauces, and things like that. You will find yourself pulling the pan off and on the burner so you don't burn things. I actually have an electric hot plate that I keep for simmering/reducing.

The rotisserie is a nice piece, but you pretty much have to take the grates out to use it, and you really can't put a pan under it to catch drippings (even with a small chicken).

I like the charcoal 'basket' I have not used it for smoking, I have used it for direct heat searing, its very nice.

If possible I would strongly recommend leaving enough space for a 1/2 sheet pan (about the size of a 'normal' cookie sheet) between the grill and the side burner, you will use that space constantly and having a place to put the items you are going to grill or fry etc that close will greatly reduce the need to clean up drips. If you are pan frying you can have the raw stuff on one side of the burner and the cooked stuff on the other.

Firemagic offers a glass window on the grill hood, I wouldn't get it if you are planning on actually using the grill.

I would consider putting the sink where the fridge is. The space next to the grill is always being used, you rarely will be taking an item directly from the sink and putting it on the grill, you will frequently be taking stuff out of the fridge and want to put it on your cutting board next to the grill. In addition, there is a good chance of getting a nasty burn if you grill hood is hot and you are working in a sink that is as close as it appears in the drawing.
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      12-12-2019, 05:28 PM   #1202
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No, are you looking at gas or pellet?

I do have a couple of pellet cookers (Treager) that I have used a lot.
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Thanks for all the tips!!

The marks in red were just preliminary layout ideas but for sure I'll swap things around and make sure i have some clear space on the side of the grill. Once i have the actual equipment I'll have better idea of the actual arrangement given the space i have to work with.
I'll definitely check on the burner and see if i can test the one I'm getting to see how the flame works, it would be pity if you're unable to simmer things, my idea was not to have to walk back and forth to kitchen. I definitely plan on using the grill and was thinking of getting the glass window if I'm already going all out, i assume the concern is that it would frequently get dirty and would end up being more of a chore than accessory? My primary concern is that this stuff last a few years of moderate use without any failures, will also get the covers for grill and burner so its protected from elements.

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I built mine a year and change ago, I went with Firemagic for the grill and side burner. They are both very nice and I would definitely recommend them.

I have used my grill for many things, obviously as a gas grill, Ive used it to 'finish' steaks that I seared in a pan, roasting veggies, potatoes, I've used the rotisserie, and I have the charcoal basket that they sell.

A couple of observations. The side burner doesn't really have a 'low' setting, which makes sense being an outdoor burner, if it goes really low it could be blown out and then you are just pumping natural gas (or propane). So, its not great for simmering sauces, and things like that. You will find yourself pulling the pan off and on the burner so you don't burn things. I actually have an electric hot plate that I keep for simmering/reducing.

The rotisserie is a nice piece, but you pretty much have to take the grates out to use it, and you really can't put a pan under it to catch drippings (even with a small chicken).

I like the charcoal 'basket' I have not used it for smoking, I have used it for direct heat searing, its very nice.

If possible I would strongly recommend leaving enough space for a 1/2 sheet pan (about the size of a 'normal' cookie sheet) between the grill and the side burner, you will use that space constantly and having a place to put the items you are going to grill or fry etc that close will greatly reduce the need to clean up drips. If you are pan frying you can have the raw stuff on one side of the burner and the cooked stuff on the other.

Firemagic offers a glass window on the grill hood, I wouldn't get it if you are planning on actually using the grill.

I would consider putting the sink where the fridge is. The space next to the grill is always being used, you rarely will be taking an item directly from the sink and putting it on the grill, you will frequently be taking stuff out of the fridge and want to put it on your cutting board next to the grill. In addition, there is a good chance of getting a nasty burn if you grill hood is hot and you are working in a sink that is as close as it appears in the drawing.
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No, are you looking at gas or pellet?

I do have a couple of pellet cookers (Treager) that I have used a lot.
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      12-12-2019, 05:43 PM   #1205
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Thanks for all the tips!!

The marks in red were just preliminary layout ideas but for sure I'll swap things around and make sure i have some clear space on the side of the grill. Once i have the actual equipment I'll have better idea of the actual arrangement given the space i have to work with.
I'll definitely check on the burner and see if i can test the one I'm getting to see how the flame works, it would be pity if you're unable to simmer things, my idea was not to have to walk back and forth to kitchen. I definitely plan on using the grill and was thinking of getting the glass window if I'm already going all out, i assume the concern is that it would frequently get dirty and would end up being more of a chore than accessory? My primary concern is that this stuff last a few years of moderate use without any failures, will also get the covers for grill and burner so its protected from elements.

Thank you again!
Yes, the concern is the glass always looking terrible.

Obviously I don't know your previous experience with gas grills, but if you have taken a look at the firemagic burner element I am sure you will be as impressed as I was. I don't see how one of those could ever burn out/wear out. They are thick cast stainless, and they have a crazy warranty.

Mine is under a solid roof, so I didn't get a cover, if it wasn't I definitely would get a cover.

Regarding the quality of Firemagic (I'm going to sound like a salesman for them), I really don't think you will find better quality, equal perhaps, but not better.

Be sure to post pictures of you progress!
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Thanks!! I will try to post some pics once this project gets underway! I was told the same regarding burner and firebox? I called a few places around which service bbq's and asked what they thing would be a good brand long term and most all said least amount of repairs are associated with Firemagic so this is where i made the choice but again they are all sales man so i wanted to check with other sources as well. I'll have to think about that glass window on the hood may not opt for it and get something more useful instead. This set up will be fully exposed outdoors so surely i'll have the covers on when not in use. Excited to finally get the grill as i haven't done so in nearly a year since we moved it as our side yard is just dirt covered with mulch.
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Big Green Egg in Large size...just came home. Thank you facebook market place and people upgrading to XL!!!

Now.....to figure out the BGE experience!!!
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Big Green Egg in Large size...just came home. Thank you facebook market place and people upgrading to XL!!!

Now.....to figure out the BGE experience!!!
i still want one of those, I just have no need for one with the other stuff i have, but I have had some great food out of a friends bge
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