2020-202x Toyota Supra

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by clee1982

probably true, but anyone who is buying a pure 2 seater is asking for something more dedicated. To me BMW has never been about "pure" sports car, it build its name on "sporty" car, so I see the competition but not as direct

These cars are definitely different but I don’t think they are different enough for each of them to stand out on their own. It would be different if they were both sold under the same company since they both would bring in money regardless of which a buyer chooses. But BMW holds most if not all of the cards here and if the Supra is outselling the 2 series/M2 they can easily make them better so the sales shift in their direction. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I think this platform would have wasted potential if the Supra is held back by the M2 and the M2 is held back by the M4 and so on. If this sports car platform is as good as they say it is, shoot for the moon ya know?

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by kaputt

It’s definitely true that the car looks better in person. I’ve finally started to see some around here in SoCal and it’s a good looking car. The red and the yellow are honestly just stunning.

The 4 cyl model is the one that intrigues me the most. I keep finding conflicting info though on if it has a mechanical LSD or not. If it does, it’s a very compelling, balanced package. I am definitely going to drive the 4 cyl when it comes out. The lack of a manual hurts but I plan to keep my manual 128i anyway so I think I’d be able to stomach it. I’ve driven a few 228i and 230is with the 8 speed automatic and it’s a good transmission.

I do find it to be overstyled, but overall Im still cool with it. Red or Yellow definitely suit it best.

I think I'd be fine with the 4 cyl but I've heard they're getting rid of certain options to cut price, such as leather and power seats. Those are a must for me.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by David70

Interesting about the badge and dealership. I think the "Toyota dealership" and the likely long term lower costs (parts/labor), actually make it a benefit to me. Maybe because you wouldn't keep it long enough to have to pay for these items?

I have a BMW weekend and Cadillac daily I find it interesting that there are tons of BMW independents all over town but when you look for independents that specialize in Asian and American brands there are very few, I think because many long term BMW owners leave the dealerships looking to less expensive options.

I'm a bit of a badge whore I'll admit it. While the Supra is reasonably priced for a sports car, it still has a Toyota badge and dealership experience.

That's a good point regarding long-term service. German cars depreciate so poorly and are so expensive to maintain, that either you sell them off to cut your losses or find a cheaper place to service them. I've started taking mine to an independent shop as well.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I'm a bit of a badge whore I'll admit it. While the Supra is reasonably priced for a sports car, it still has a Toyota badge and dealership experience.

That's a good point regarding long-term service. German cars depreciate so poorly and are so expensive to maintain, that either you sell them off to cut your losses or find a cheaper place to service them. I've started taking mine to an independent shop as well.

An indy shop makes more sense for working on a BMW than a Toyota dealer. Servicing a Supra at a Toyota dealer just seems silly.

[kaputt]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I do find it to be overstyled, but overall Im still cool with it. Red or Yellow definitely suit it best.

I think I'd be fine with the 4 cyl but I've heard they're getting rid of certain options to cut price, such as leather and power seats. Those are a must for me.

To me personally those are positives, but I have a stripper 128i with no leather and no power seats. I totally get that those are must haves for many people.

From what I've been able to see in the articles out on it, those things should be an option in some sort of premium package? Not totally sure though. A lot of the 4 cyl info has been conflicting. Looking forward to Toyota officially launching the page for the 2021 models with detailed specs.

[supra93]

I believe the only option for the 2.0 is the driver assistance package. On the current 2020 Supra that is about $1.2k.

The issue is the starting price point. Its almost $43k, and if we start adding on hypothetical options I believe most people would rather just get the base 3.0 for $51k.

Toyota is only projecting a 20% production and sale rate for the 2.0. I would be surprised if Toyota will met that goal. Most of the polling done on the Toyota side only show 10%-14% of future buyers opting for the 2.0, and that was before the pricing and packaging was released.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by kaputt

It's definitely true that the car looks better in person. I've finally started to see some around here in SoCal and it's a good looking car. The red and the yellow are honestly just stunning.

The 4 cyl model is the one that intrigues me the most. I keep finding conflicting info though on if it has a mechanical LSD or not. If it does, it's a very compelling, balanced package. I am definitely going to drive the 4 cyl when it comes out. The lack of a manual hurts but I plan to keep my manual 128i anyway so I think I'd be able to stomach it. I've driven a few 228i and 230is with the 8 speed automatic and it's a good transmission.

The 2.0 Supra comes standard with an open diff. Allegedly there's an optional track package that includes an M Differential.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

The 2.0 Supra comes standard with an open diff. Allegedly there's an optional track package that includes an M Differential.

According to FT86club's mod that did a Q&A with Tada that is a no go. At the moment, besides the driver assistance package, what you see is what you get when it comes to the 2.0. ToyotaUSA pretty much said the whole point of the 2.0 was keep the price tag down in order to expand pool of buyers.

[kaputt]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

The 2.0 Supra comes standard with an open diff. Allegedly there's an optional track package that includes an M Differential.

Road and Track seems to think it has a mechanical diff.

"Compared to the six-cylinder Supra, the four has different spring and damper tuning, a mechanical (rather than electronic) limited-slip differential, smaller brakes, and downsized 18-inch wheels."

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...linder-review/

[supra93]

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by super51fan

These cars are definitely different but I don’t think they are different enough for each of them to stand out on their own. It would be different if they were both sold under the same company since they both would bring in money regardless of which a buyer chooses. But BMW holds most if not all of the cards here and if the Supra is outselling the 2 series/M2 they can easily make them better so the sales shift in their direction. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I think this platform would have wasted potential if the Supra is held back by the M2 and the M2 is held back by the M4 and so on. If this sports car platform is as good as they say it is, shoot for the moon ya know?

yup, by the way Supra aside, I really hoped M2 wasn't held back by M4, though that's kind just the reality you have to live with.

Even we can probably say the same thing about Cayman GT4 vs. 911 GT3, like why can't Cayman GT4 get same engine as 911 GT3...

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by supra93

well, if next year they came out with manual...

[supra93]

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by kaputt

Road and Track seems to think it has a mechanical diff.

"Compared to the six-cylinder Supra, the four has different spring and damper tuning, a mechanical (rather than electronic) limited-slip differential, smaller brakes, and downsized 18-inch wheels."

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...linder-review/

This is correct. Supra 2.0 gets a mechanical LSD.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by friendlinzh

I love the Supra from the back and the side, just don't really like the front.

But then you look at the front of the new 4er and the front of Supra starts to look great!

[kaputt]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

This is correct. Supra 2.0 gets a mechanical LSD.

?????

I’m so confused now.

[supra93]

Full pricing for the 2021 models from dealer email.

2.0 - 42,990
3.0 - 50,990
3.0 Premium - 54,490
3.0 A91 - 55,990

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...ed.5285/page-4

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by kaputt

?????

I’m so confused now.

It does donuts at the end of one of the videos posted above. Definitely has an LSD if that's stock.

[supra93]

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2021-to...r-turbo-model/

2021 Toyota GR Supra Hits the Streets with More Power, A91 Edition and First-Ever Four-Cylinder Turbo Model

• GR Supra 3.0 Gets Power Boost and Revised Chassis Tuning
• New GR Supra 2.0 is First-Ever Four-Cylinder Version, with 255 Horsepower and Lower Weight
• New GR Supra A91 Edition with Exclusive Color and Design Features
• 8-in. Central Display Screen Now Standard on All Models
• GR Supra 2.0 starts at $42,990, while 3.0 starts at $50,990

PLANO, Texas (June 17, 2020) – One year after its debut, Toyota is raising the bar for the 2021 GR Supra with six-cylinder models that leap ahead with a power boost and retuned chassis, while the first ever four-cylinder turbo model joins the line.

The first 1,500 Mk. V Supras were Launch Editions, and for 2021 Toyota is offering 1,000 new A91 Editions. This special edition Supra will have the 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine and will be available in a choice of two colors, Nocturnal or Refraction, the latter exclusive to the A91 Edition and an all-new color for Supra. Accenting the Supra’s concept car-inspired body are a rear black carbon fiber lip spoiler, matte black wheels, C-pillar graphics and carbon fiber mirror caps. The black Alcantara® leather-trimmed interior with blue contrast is likewise exclusive to this limited-availability model, and each A91 Edition will come with two exclusive key gloves and trunk mat.

On the 2021 Supra 3.0 Premium and A91 Edition, the front Brembo® brake calipers are painted red and feature the “TOYOTA Supra” logo. All Supra models for 2021 will feature the 8.8-inch audio touch screen that is standard on the 2020 3.0 Premium model; the base model’s 6.5-inch screen has been discontinued.

The 2021 GR Supra models are anticipated to start arriving at Toyota dealers this summer. Here’s what to brace for:

More Power. Because, Why Not?

The 2020 Toyota GR Supra brought the revered model back in a blaze of speed, with acceleration and handling performance that outshone even its illustrious A80 predecessor. For 2021, Toyota is keeping the pedal down, boosting output of the Supra’s turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six from 335 hp at 5,000-6,500 rpm to 382 hp at 5,800-6,500 rpm, a 14-percent increase. Torque rises from 365 lb.-ft. at 1,600-4,500 rpm to 368 lb.-ft. at 1,800-5,000 rpm.

The increased output results from a slew of upgrades throughout the engine. The new dual-branch exhaust manifold, with six ports instead of two, improves airflow and heat management. A new piston design reduces the engine’s compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1 in order to prevent abnormal combustion due to high boost.

The greatly revised engine produces higher torque at higher rpm and retains the eagerness to rev with turbine-like smoothness. Toyota projects that the new engine will reduce the Supra 3.0 model’s 0-60 acceleration time to 3.9 seconds, down from 4.1. The 8-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters carries over for 2021. Even with the power boost, GR Supra 3.0 grades will achieve an estimated 25 mpg combined (22 city/30 highway/25 combined).

Retuned Chassis for Supra 3.0

The 2020 GR Supra won praise for its ride/handling balance, but even the exceptional can be improved. Seeking increased roll resistance and enhanced cornering stability, Toyota retuned the Supra 3.0 chassis, adding lightweight aluminum braces that tie the strut towers to the radiator support to increase lateral rigidity, along with front and rear bump stops and new damper tuning. Revised programming for the electric power steering (EPS), Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and Active Differential works in concert with the hardware changes to make the 2021 Supra more stable through quick transitions, such as compound turns.

The First Four-Cylinder Supra Is Quick and Light

The 2020 GR Supra broke from the model’s traditions in several areas, and the 2021 version seems to do it again with the first-ever four-cylinder turbo model. Or does it? The new Supra 2.0 becomes the entry model, returning a two-tier performance lineup that parallels the A70 and A80 Supra models.

The 2021 Supra 2.0 offers an intermediate model between the Toyota 86 and the Supra 3.0, giving the customer three distinct Toyota sports car choices.

The 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder engine shares much of its technology with the 3.0-liter inline-six, including a twin-scroll turbo, direct fuel injection and continuously variable timing on both the intake and exhaust camshafts. The variable intake valve lift system adjusts intake valve timing and duration. The bottom line is 255 hp at 5,000-6,500 rpm and a stout 295 lb.-ft. peak torque at 1,550 to 4,400 rpm.

The Supra 2.0 uses the same 8-speed automatic transmission as the 3.0, and Toyota projects 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds, which will make it Toyota’s second quickest vehicle in the lineup. The Supra 2.0 has the same electronically limited 155-mph top track speed as the 3.0, and its fuel consumption will be lower.

The Supra Lightweight

The 2021 Supra 2.0 offers much more than a lower price point. At 3,181 pounds, it is more than 200 pounds lighter than the Supra 3.0 while maintaining that model’s exemplary near perfect weight distribution. That’s because the weight reduction is spread throughout the car:

The Supra 2.0 uses smaller front brake rotors than the Supra 3.0 (330mm x 24mm vs. 348mm x 36mm), and with single-piston calipers vs. four-piston.

The Supra 2.0 does not have the Active Differential and Adaptive Suspension used on the 3.0 model.

A four-speaker audio system is standard, vs. the Supra 3.0’s 10-speaker system.
Supra 2.0 seats are manually adjustable, vs. 14-way power-adjustable in the 3.0.

Performance, Well-Priced

The 2021 GR Supra’s inline six-cylinder gets a major power boost, but with a minor price increase. The 3.0 Premium grade has an MSRP increase of just $500, with a starting price of $54,490. The 3.0 grade starts at $50,990, up just $1,000 from MY20. The A91 Edition has an MSRP starting price of $55,990, which is $740 more than the Launch Editions offered for model year 2020.

The GR Supra 2.0 grades will have an MSRP starting price of $42,990.

The Safety & Technology Package is new for MY21 and will be available on the 2.0 and 3.0 grades. It will cost $3,485 on the 2.0 and $3,155 on the 3.0 and include:

• Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (Full speed)
• Blind Spot Monitor (BSM)
• Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
• Parking Sensors with Emergency Braking Function
• Navigation
• 12-speaker 500-watt JBL Audio System
• Wireless Apple CarPlay® compatible (iOS only)
• Supra Connected Services: up to four-year trial includes Remote Services, Remote Maintenance, Automatic Emergency Call, Real Time Traffic Information, Concierge, Stolen Vehicle Recovery, and Map Updates.
• The Driver’s Assist Package will still be an available option on the 3.0

Premium and A91 Edition. That package costs $1,195 and includes:

• Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (Full speed)
• Blind Spot Monitor (BSM)
• Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
• Parking Sensors with Emergency Braking Function

Comparing 2020 and 2021 Supra GR Models

[Conissah]

RIP 2020 Supra owners lol. Y'all got dicked.

[R N M]

Well Toyota dealers are doing their best not to sell Supras.

I called on 5 dealers in NY - all had same answers:
- No test drive until you agree to purchase the car with approved credit app
- No discount off MSRP

Then companies wonder why these cars sit on the lot causing automakers to eventually discontinue them. I hope everyone gets rid of dealerships and goes Tesla route.

[theEZV]

Originally Posted by R N M

Well Toyota dealers are doing their best not to sell Supras.

I called on 5 dealers in NY - all had same answers:
- No test drive until you agree to purchase the car with approved credit app
- No discount off MSRP

Then companies wonder why these cars sit on the lot causing automakers to eventually discontinue them. I hope everyone gets rid of dealerships and goes Tesla route.

Strange, I see 7 cars listed below 50k on cars.com on the East Coast. A bunch of others for a little over.