BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   6Post.com | BMW 6-Series Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-29-2022, 08:07 AM   #1
baege
Lieutenant Colonel
1321
Rep
1,592
Posts

Drives: 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

150k Budget Death of ICE keeper car

So it may well be that in the near future, I am able to have a keeper car, one that just sees fair driving, no winters and that I can keep and preserve and enjoy.

It's not for sure yet, but of course I want to start thinking about what that car might be

I am going to keep the budget at 150K CDN max.

One possibility is to keep my Cayman GTS 4.0.

It is a great car and I do enjoy it, but I have to say it's not a car that speaks to me in a way that other cars have in the past. I don't have that "je ne sais quoi" for it.

I want manual and no turbos (supercharged is ok). Those are for sure.

I would say that as I "mature" I am getting into more of the GT type car as opposed to a sports car. I want to have easy low rpm power and torque.

I have always loved aston martins, so a vantage V8 is something that definitely stands out as a possibility.

A z4m coupe or even an SI coupe is also a possibility. The e86 shape has always drawn me in.

I have also always been drawn to the clown shoe, I actually prefer the S52 over the s54.

A gated R8 also comes to mind, v8 or v10.

anyways, I would say the aston martin is the front runner as I have always enjoyed the sound and torque of a V8 and I think they are stunning cars. My hesitation there is I guess reliability and cost of maintenance and parts.

Anyways just throwing it out there to this knowledgeable group. Any thoughts people might have on these possibilities or alternatives would be welcomed.
Appreciate 1
      10-29-2022, 09:09 AM   #2
Alfisti
Brigadier General
6453
Rep
3,009
Posts

Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

This has Aston written all over it, $100K should be PLENTY and yeah save some of the 50 for the servicing which is absolutely brutal.

Personally, I think a 991.1 GTS is really special but maybe too sporty for your needs. This is what i'd get though at that budget.

Left field, Maserati Gran Turismo and Jaguar XKR-S. I might even have the masser ahead of the Aston, looks like a good woman in come fuck me boots, then it does with it's sound and it's a Ferrari V8 FFS. Relatively reliable, need a later model if tech is an issue.

Last edited by Alfisti; 10-29-2022 at 09:25 AM..
Appreciate 2
baege1320.50
      10-29-2022, 09:46 AM   #3
Donatello.
How's My Driving?
Donatello.'s Avatar
1017
Rep
952
Posts

Drives: Hellcat & Miata
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: US

iTrader: (0)

V10 R8 all day long. Cayman does not even enter the ring for me. The only Porsche that would for me is a turbo 911
Appreciate 3
x622925.00
Coconut725.00
      10-29-2022, 09:54 AM   #4
Alfisti
Brigadier General
6453
Rep
3,009
Posts

Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

There's something about the R8 that does not ring my bell, NFI why. Would legit take the Jag/Aston/Maserati over it at the same price point.
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 10:09 AM   #5
baege
Lieutenant Colonel
1321
Rep
1,592
Posts

Drives: 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfisti View Post
This has Aston written all over it, $100K should be PLENTY and yeah save some of the 50 for the servicing which is absolutely brutal.

Personally, I think a 991.1 GTS is really special but maybe too sporty for your needs. This is what i'd get though at that budget.

Left field, Maserati Gran Turismo and Jaguar XKR-S. I might even have the masser ahead of the Aston, looks like a good woman in come fuck me boots, then it does with it's sound and it's a Ferrari V8 FFS. Relatively reliable, need a later model if tech is an issue.
I do love the 991.1 GTS, amazing sound and presence, I should keep it in the mix

the other two don't come in manual so I'm out!
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 10:10 AM   #6
baege
Lieutenant Colonel
1321
Rep
1,592
Posts

Drives: 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfisti View Post
There's something about the R8 that does not ring my bell, NFI why. Would legit take the Jag/Aston/Maserati over it at the same price point.
funny enough the looks of the R8 have never really got me either, nice looking car of course, but I prefer curves like in astons and porsches

but it does offer audi reliability and pricing over the aston
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 10:22 AM   #7
Alfisti
Brigadier General
6453
Rep
3,009
Posts

Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Really???? No manual even offered on the Maserati???
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 10:48 AM   #8
Humdizzle
Brigadier General
6024
Rep
3,610
Posts

Drives: GT3 + M2c
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Missouri

iTrader: (0)

sounds like the aston is what you want. manual, v8, exotic looks and curb appeal. nice ride quality. the only downside to them is the cost of maintenance. you'd want to have a good indy shop to work on it. the dealer is going to rip you off. they overcharge for the same ford part.

I believe the DB9 of that era was also available in a manual. But they are hard to find. You do get a NA v12 with a stick though and with an exhaust they sound very very good.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...martin-db9-29/

The R8 would be the safer bet though in terms of maintenance, parts, forums to help you figure things out. probably much better built too.
__________________

2018 Porsche GT3 6MT
2021 M2C DCT
Previous: Ferrari 458 | R35 GTR | F80 M3 | E46 M3 | E36 M3 | Scion FRS
Appreciate 1
baege1320.50
      10-29-2022, 12:54 PM   #9
dgoldenz
Lieutenant Colonel
1844
Rep
1,749
Posts

Drives: Vanquish, FF, 392 Wrangler
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Las Vegas

iTrader: (1)

The more I drive my Vanquish the more I love it. Obv not a manual sports car but I’ve been very impressed with every Aston I’ve driven. Got an invite to test drive the DBX 707 next week and looking forward to that. Don’t know what a manual V12 vantage goes for in Canada but maybe that’s an option as a budget stretcher. The V8 is probably still plenty of fun though.

991.1 GTS with a manual is a great option. I’ve never been blown away by the R8 but haven’t driven a gated manual. The one I drove felt a little tame and I didn’t like the digital dash. Maybe an aftermarket exhaust was needed to wake it up.
Appreciate 1
baege1320.50
      10-29-2022, 01:18 PM   #10
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5048
Rep
3,874
Posts

Drives: 2024 M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgoldenz View Post
The more I drive my Vanquish the more I love it. Obv not a manual sports car but I’ve been very impressed with every Aston I’ve driven. Got an invite to test drive the DBX 707 next week and looking forward to that. Don’t know what a manual V12 vantage goes for in Canada but maybe that’s an option as a budget stretcher. The V8 is probably still plenty of fun though.

991.1 GTS with a manual is a great option. I’ve never been blown away by the R8 but haven’t driven a gated manual. The one I drove felt a little tame and I didn’t like the digital dash. Maybe an aftermarket exhaust was needed to wake it up.
Unfortunately $150k CAD doesn't go too far in Canada. Low supply in general makes it hard to find domestically. This is why a lot of Canadians buy from the US, but the exchange rate is terrible right now. You need $150k to get lower mileage 991.2 911 S and there's not a ton to choose from.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 01:52 PM   #11
dgoldenz
Lieutenant Colonel
1844
Rep
1,749
Posts

Drives: Vanquish, FF, 392 Wrangler
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Las Vegas

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
Unfortunately $150k CAD doesn't go too far in Canada. Low supply in general makes it hard to find domestically. This is why a lot of Canadians buy from the US, but the exchange rate is terrible right now. You need $150k to get lower mileage 991.2 911 S and there's not a ton to choose from.
If the 991.1 GTS is out of budget then I'd look at a well spec'd 991.1 S. I just looked and your budget is like $110k USD, don't think you can get a manual V10 R8 for that anyway these days. For the Vantage the 2009+ had the updated 4.7L engine, not sure if Canadian model years are any different.

One thing I will say about the Aston that I've come to realize with my first CEL experience is that there are certain things only the dealer can diagnose as most indy shops don't have the software that the dealer has for diagnostics. Parts are expensive from the dealer, but if DIY'ing it most of the parts cross-reference a Ford part which is way cheaper, and the astonmartinbits website has parts a lot cheaper than dealers too. The 911 is probably the most reliable and easy to maintain along with great resale value.
Appreciate 2
baege1320.50
      10-29-2022, 02:14 PM   #12
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5048
Rep
3,874
Posts

Drives: 2024 M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgoldenz View Post
If the 991.1 GTS is out of budget then I'd look at a well spec'd 991.1 S. I just looked and your budget is like $110k USD, don't think you can get a manual V10 R8 for that anyway these days. For the Vantage the 2009+ had the updated 4.7L engine, not sure if Canadian model years are any different.

One thing I will say about the Aston that I've come to realize with my first CEL experience is that there are certain things only the dealer can diagnose as most indy shops don't have the software that the dealer has for diagnostics. Parts are expensive from the dealer, but if DIY'ing it most of the parts cross-reference a Ford part which is way cheaper, and the astonmartinbits website has parts a lot cheaper than dealers too. The 911 is probably the most reliable and easy to maintain along with great resale value.
It's not me who's looking (see OP). But I have been looking in the $150-175k range and it's still slim pickings here. Simply converting the $150 budget to $110 USD budget doesn't work because we pay quite a bit more here for the same or less the vehicle compared to in the US.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 03:43 PM   #13
M3WC
Brigadier General
3639
Rep
3,241
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: ...location...location

iTrader: (0)

981 GT4
Appreciate 2
overcoil3068.50
Dino GT35121.00
      10-29-2022, 04:09 PM   #14
baege
Lieutenant Colonel
1321
Rep
1,592
Posts

Drives: 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgoldenz View Post
If the 991.1 GTS is out of budget then I'd look at a well spec'd 991.1 S. I just looked and your budget is like $110k USD, don't think you can get a manual V10 R8 for that anyway these days. For the Vantage the 2009+ had the updated 4.7L engine, not sure if Canadian model years are any different.

One thing I will say about the Aston that I've come to realize with my first CEL experience is that there are certain things only the dealer can diagnose as most indy shops don't have the software that the dealer has for diagnostics. Parts are expensive from the dealer, but if DIY'ing it most of the parts cross-reference a Ford part which is way cheaper, and the astonmartinbits website has parts a lot cheaper than dealers too. The 911 is probably the most reliable and easy to maintain along with great resale value.
911 is the smart easy choice, manual 991.1 GTS at 150K is possible in the cdn market, but not easy to find

I will likely go the 2009 and up if I go Aston, but I have to say my risk adverse self doesn't like the prospect of potentially huge repair bills

You can find R8 v10 gated at 150K Cdn in the cdn market but they will be higher mileage older examples
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 04:58 PM   #15
Alfisti
Brigadier General
6453
Rep
3,009
Posts

Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

991.1 not 991.2. It's within budget.
Appreciate 1
Dino GT35121.00
      10-29-2022, 05:00 PM   #16
///MPhatic
The Seeker
///MPhatic's Avatar
13543
Rep
3,207
Posts

Drives: OG M2 • Exige
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (2)

It'd be a new NSX for me.
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 06:15 PM   #17
Alfisti
Brigadier General
6453
Rep
3,009
Posts

Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
It's not me who's looking (see OP). But I have been looking in the $150-175k range and it's still slim pickings here. Simply converting the $150 budget to $110 USD budget doesn't work because we pay quite a bit more here for the same or less the vehicle compared to in the US.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo the opposite. If a car is 100K in the USA it'll be about 130 here despite exchange at 137 for example.
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 06:25 PM   #18
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5048
Rep
3,874
Posts

Drives: 2024 M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfisti View Post
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo the opposite. If a car is 100K in the USA it'll be about 130 here despite exchange at 137 for example.
No what I mean is that with a like to like budget, you can find much better examples and more plentiful options vs what you can find in Canada. There's next to nothing available here unless you want to pay an arm and a leg.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 06:32 PM   #19
GuidoK
#buildnotbought
GuidoK's Avatar
10473
Rep
4,815
Posts

Drives: Z4 3.0i ESS TS2+
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tinkering in the garage

iTrader: (0)

1st gen 997 (either turbo or gt3) with manual.
Mezger engine, guaranteed classic, still looks good.

Might not be the most powerful option in your budget, but in 10 years all ICE cars will seem slow compared to EV sports/supercar madness

If you can stretch your budget, Lamborghini Gallardo 550-2 with manual in either Valentino Balboni or Tricolore trim (my favorite).
But try to find such a special gem..... (not expensive originally (in fact the cheapest Lambo at one point I believe), but almost no one ordered one....)
__________________
Z4 3.0i | ESS TS2+ supercharger | Quaife ATB LSD | Brembo/BMW performance BBK front/rear | Schrick FI cams | Schmiedmann headers+cats | Powerflex/strongflex PU bushings | Vibra-technics engine mounts | H&R anti rollbars | KW V3 coilovers/KW camber plates | Sachs race engineering clutch | tons of custom sh#t
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 08:44 PM   #20
Alfisti
Brigadier General
6453
Rep
3,009
Posts

Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrcold View Post
No what I mean is that with a like to like budget, you can find much better examples and more plentiful options vs what you can find in Canada. There's next to nothing available here unless you want to pay an arm and a leg.
Sorta, there's less choice obviously but a like for like car is cheaper here than importing.
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 09:05 PM   #21
Burrcold
Brigadier General
5048
Rep
3,874
Posts

Drives: 2024 M3 Comp xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfisti View Post
Sorta, there's less choice obviously but a like for like car is cheaper here than importing.
I mean like for like car, and buying in your own market. I've been looking at a lot of importing costs and yes it's generally more expensive right now. But there's such limited supply here.
__________________
Current: 2024 BMW M3 Competition xDrive | 2022 Audi Q7
Gone: 2022 Audi RS5 | 2020 BMW M340i | 2019 Audi RS5
Appreciate 0
      10-29-2022, 10:52 PM   #22
KevinC
your average JAMF
KevinC's Avatar
United_States
3076
Rep
4,082
Posts

Drives: '21 M2 Comp, '19 Golf R
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cochise County, AZ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Since you mention at least a passing interest in the Z4M Coupe, I highly suggest you drive one and see if it's for you. I've owned 2 for a total of 10 years, the first of which I bought new back in 2007, when BMW couldn't give the damn things away. I'm an old Datsun Z guy from WAY back (bought my boss's '73 when I was 19, and I was hooked), and when the Z4MC came along, I was instantly blown away by the looks and similarity to the original Datsun Z. Think E46 M3 minus a couple hundred pounds, minus a back seat, in a small, low-to-the-ground, sexy package. I'd still have my last one if it wasn't hit last year. I still hope to get another again someday. With your fairly large budget, you could afford a super-clean example and have a buttload of cash left over.
__________________
'21 M2 Comp
'19 Golf R
Appreciate 3
baege1320.50
Efthreeoh16950.50
Nkc1600.50
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:22 AM.




6post.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST