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      03-21-2019, 05:18 PM   #3257
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It used to be, but actually over the past few years it has become a lot easier to get a CCW in CA. I have a few friends with one.
Highly dependent on what county you live in.
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      03-22-2019, 10:28 PM   #3258
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Those with land to shoot.

Do you shoot everyday? I feel like I would.
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      03-22-2019, 10:37 PM   #3259
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I think I probably would also have target set up various distances and walk 10 steps out door and keep sharp
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I think I probably would also have target set up various distances and walk 10 steps out door and keep sharp
Same, I like to believe dependant on distance from neighbors I would have targets set up on the way to my M3 in the morning.

Specially when groggy leaving for the office. Perfect time to practice.
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      03-23-2019, 11:31 AM   #3261
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Revolver is fine with training.. like any gun. Accuracy is extremely important. Sure you shot the bad guy but you shot a innocent person behind them and your life is screwed.
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The American 180 was designed and developed in the United States of America in the early 1970's. However, initial production was contracted through an Austrian based company. The finished Austrian Import was brought back into the United States by Christopher and Associates. These early guns were all "Pre-86 Dealer Samples". Christopher and Associates was located in California.

The original market for the American 180 was local Police Departments. A substantial number of guns were sold to the police. Federal and State Penitentiaries were also purchasers of the American 180 for prison population control. When equipped with the Laser-Lok siteing system, it is rumored that the projected red dot tended to have a very calming effect on whomever it came to rest. Many Federal Penitentiaries still have the gun in service, and periodically will exhibit its intimidating firepower to inmates.

Ironically, this same intimidating 1500 rounds per minute (1800 rounds per minute when chambered for .22 short magnum) pounding action of the American 180, which could easily demolish a cinder block wall, also had the power to defeat most soft body armor that certain prison gaurds wear. For this reason, some State Penitentiaries retired the American 180 shortly after they were acquired.

It is interesting to note that in the early years of Austrian production, the only serial number which appeared on the American 180 was on the*barrel. The receiver initially contained no serial number. This configuration was approved by ATF for importation into the United States. Later, versions did contain a serial number on the*receiver*as well as all guns manufactured in the United States.

A group in Salt Lake City, Utah purchased the company and hence American Arms International was formed. American Arms continued production of the*American 180 with Austrian produced parts. American Arms did explore domestic manufacture of the guns through several subcontractors. This resulted in 24 fully-transferable American 180s made by a company called S&S Arms.

Domestic production continued with various improvements. The "A" models being Austrian. The "B" models being the first produced in the United States. The "D" models being the last made by American Arms International. In 1986, production ceased due to legal problems with BATF.

The owners of American Arms were prosecuted by ATF for allegedly submitting form 2's for guns they really hadn't made, in the days right before the 1986 making ban. Many*legal documents*are available related to this case.

In 1987, Illinois Arms Company, Inc. (ILARCO) bought out American Arms International. Production continued using American manufactured parts. It was during the Illinois Arms ownership period that the*heavier barrelled version*appeared on the market. (The research and development of the heavy barreled version was performed by American Arms International, but certain production problems were resolved after the Illinois Arms buy out.)

Illinois Arms, teamed with Feather Industries, for the production of semi-automatic versions of the American 180.

This partnership ultimately went bankrupt.*E&L Manufacturing, Inc.*purchased the remaining inventory. They continue to offer*parts, accessories, and service*for the American 180.

"A", "B" and "D" serial number prefixes existed for the American 180. It is unclear as to what model changes were associated with each version.

We understand that the American 180 was used (in the line of duty) on two occasions. One undocumented use allegedly occurred in Utah. We have no additional information regarding this incident. In regards to the second, we now know that it occurred in Lauderhill Florida on November 24 1974 by Police Officer Mike Gillo, along with his partner Gary P. Jones. Mike fired approximately 40 rounds from his laser equipped American 180 through the rear window of a fleeing 1974 Camaro occupied by two robbery suspects, after the suspect in the passenger seat fired at Gary. Gary fired his shotgun at the fleeing auto. However, all the buck shot managed to miss both occupants. Shortly after, the Camaro was located with one suspect slumped over in the passenger seat dead from multiple .22 caliber slugs in the back. The driver, who fled and was later apprehended alive, also had several .22 caliber wounds in his back.*
(Info pulled from E&L Manufacturing)
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Those with land to shoot.

Do you shoot everyday? I feel like I would.

Not every day, but I'd say probably 4 times a week on average. Sometimes I get the urge to burn a lot of rounds for proficiency/fun, but mostly it's for pest control or just to verify my sights are still zeroed or the batteries are still good in battery operated sights on my various guns.
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I think I probably would also have target set up various distances and walk 10 steps out door and keep sharp

I have 3 sets of targets.

About 10 steps from my back door I have this:



About 20 yards back I have this:




At 100 yards I have a small silhouette target similar to this, except hanging from chains on a sawhorse style stand:

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I have 3 sets of targets.

About 10 steps from my back door I have this:



About 20 yards back I have this:




At 100 yards I have a small silhouette target similar to this, except hanging from chains on a sawhorse style stand:

I don't get it - on the first one it looks like there is a road just behind the target with no backstop. Doesn't seem safe?
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Those with land to shoot.

Do you shoot everyday? I feel like I would.

Not every day, but I'd say probably 4 times a week on average. Sometimes I get the urge to burn a lot of rounds for proficiency/fun, but mostly it's for pest control or just to verify my sights are still zeroed or the batteries are still good in battery operated sights on my various guns.
Can I say- To think of using a firearm for pest control is a foreign concept for this lifelong NYC Metro-area resident! 😆 Perhaps if we could carry around here there would be less rats in the subway? Lol. 😉

So envious of space to shoot.
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I am jealous of you guys that can shoot in your backyard.
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