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03-01-2021, 12:59 AM | #47 |
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M whatever on non-M cars is all marketing driven IMO because of the popularity of the M cars. Same as the Lexus F series. They add "F sport" to put it a notch above the base models.
Having said that, I can't think of any of my circle of auto enthusiasts that will confuse an M340i with an M3 or an IS F sport with an ISF. The differences are significant.
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03-01-2021, 10:09 AM | #48 |
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lol its amazing folks still think "M" stands for the motorsport program started in 60's and not a modified trim level. (and has been for awhile)
It is a high performance model, above the base...but I mean Mustang GT doesnt equal what in did in 1969 ![]() smh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M
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03-01-2021, 11:11 AM | #50 |
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I agree with Doug so much. I came from the Challenger world to the BMW world and "up badging" was a disease in the Challenger world. A lot of "scat pack" guys were badging their cards "SRT" and what not, not to mention the fake hellcats running around out there.
I don't know who they thought they were fooling.
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03-01-2021, 11:14 AM | #51 |
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By the way, does putting 437M wheels on my M2C count as "down badging?"
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03-01-2021, 02:50 PM | #52 |
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BMW and MB have stuck more “fake” M and AMG badges than the poseurs ever have.
Completely diluted the brand value for quick short term profit. The sad part is - young generation will actually think M340i was an M car..... |
03-01-2021, 02:58 PM | #53 |
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If by de-badging you mean putting the optimal F Chassis M wheels on, then yes my friend... de-badge away!
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I have 2020 X3 M40i with the B58 382hp engine and F80 M3. There are many things that make M3 special and a true M car that my M40i lacks. The ONLY reason they put the M badge on 340i or X3 or 550i is for pure Marketing BS. Previous generations never had them. An M badge should only be put on an M car same with AMG. |
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On the other hand, if you were an exec at BMW or MB and you found that by adding badges all over the place on non-M cars and/or non AMG cars, would make for more sales of profitable models, you'd probably do the same thing. Not that I agree with it, but it's all business. Unfortunately the dilution happens as you suggested. I personally like to think that true car enthusiasts that know the difference are the only ones that care anyway. I mean are you really trying to impress non enthusiasts? I doubt it. |
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The fact that today's M340i has about 50 more hp than an e46 M3 is rather mind boggling. The 0-60 time is much quicker as well. Will it handle better or have that infamous steering feedback of the e46 platform, probably not. I guess that is what has hampered BMW these past few generations, at least with the 3 series. For me, I decided to buy an M340i xDrive because I thought it struck a nice balance between sportiness and luxury. Moreover, it works as a DD much better than an M3/M4 IMO. It's not a money issue either. |
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Talked to a guy at work who bought an M340 for this exact reason. Price difference was no object, but he didn't like the M3 suspension. |
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Yeah, I didn't really need an ultra stiff suspension setup, have had plenty of those. |
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True. It's a tough pill to swallow considering mine stickers at a tad bit short of $70k. However, as I noted in a separate response, it's a car that rides a pretty decent line between performance and luxury. Audi does a pretty good job of that but I was ready for a change, not to mention unless you have an RS variant, they're a bit too sterile.
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