BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   6Post.com | BMW 6-Series Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-27-2021, 07:39 AM   #67
Smooth 330i
Colonel
Smooth 330i's Avatar
1083
Rep
2,053
Posts

Drives: 330i
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: PA

iTrader: (9)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ntg44 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyC View Post
Now fix the side mirrors, add a power dome, completely modify the Lexus tail lights/rear end, add the kink, get the door lines correct again and *maybe* this trash is 90% fixed. Most focus on the grills, but the rest of the car is damned near as awful. To me it’s an unredeemable car.
Don't forget this trash.
Hemorrhoid
__________________

TC Kline D/A | Dinan | Quaife | Evolve | Stoptech BBK | M3 Bits | Turner | Braile | Supersprint | Recaro | BMW Perf | Macht Schnell | APEX | Ground Control |
Appreciate 3
ntg442220.50
NickyC8062.00
jmack322.00

      02-27-2021, 09:31 AM   #68
mikado463
Private First Class
mikado463's Avatar
United_States
111
Rep
108
Posts

Drives: 2017 x5 35i , '67 Corvette BB
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: SE Pa

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Murf993 View Post
I could be wrong, but I don't think this big upright grill is all that original and if I recall it wasn't too popular the first time around.
Amen brother, oh well, no biggie for me, plenty of other 'good looking' vehicles to choose from !
__________________
cheers - Dave
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2021, 11:33 AM   #69
FNR32
New Member
14
Rep
13
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: May 2012
Location: United States

iTrader: (0)

Maybe I'm wrong here but I thought the goal of design was to create something that made people WANT your product. Instead, they've created something that is driving people away from the brand. It seems counter productive and to double down on it just seems....arrogant.
__________________
'19 /// M5 Competition
Appreciate 2
NickyC8062.00
jmack322.00

      02-27-2021, 11:51 AM   #70
TheBingoBalls
Brigadier General
TheBingoBalls's Avatar
Canada
1615
Rep
3,773
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto, Ontario

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
The grille isn't really the issue. If they want to use the tall vertical grilles, they have to design the rest of the front fascia/bumper better. A lot better.

The problem with the 4er is that everything surrounding it is terribly design and either don't fit or don't complement it. Every non-SAV BMW should have that low and wide view, instead with the 4er, it just looks tall because you have the headlights and the poorly-designed air vents angled and designed to point towards the grille. The M3/M4 does not have that issue the bumper designed is stretched left to right.
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2021, 12:38 PM   #71
Artemis
Moderator
Artemis's Avatar
Belgium
15532
Rep
11,261
Posts

Drives: BMW M2 Competition
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Belgium

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
What’s clear is that both men feel a huge amount of responsibility towards BMW. Both are well aware of the history of the brand – indeed, they’ve justified their current strategy by looking back to the 1960s, when BMW pioneered a sports car that came with a healthy dose of limousine. Cars like the 1500, which set the standard for the company for years to come, right up to today.
These days, the fragmentation of what customers want (and Dukec is clear on this: he’s aiming for customers to want his cars, not need them) means that van Hooydonk and Dukec have identified two groups they want to appeal to. They’ve called them the elegant creators and the expressive performers. While it’s tempting to dismiss this as marketing hyperbole, it does make sense when you view it in terms of the product. The creators tend to sit in the odd-numbered cars – the traditional 3, 5 and 7 Series – while the performers are the even-numbered buyers, with cars like the M4 or X6.
It boils down to how people will use their cars. As Dukec has it, the creators want a car “more focused on the cabin, but it still has to have a fluid silhouette and nice proportions”, while the performers don’t want such a practical car. The cabin will be smaller, like a suit that’s “not the most comfortable one, but it’s the one in which you look the best. They want a car that’s almost irrational.”.
Making an artificial distinction between "elegant creators" and "expressive performers" ?

Sounds indeed like marketing hyperbole.

2003:
Name:  BMW_E46_M3_CSL.jpg
Views: 424
Size:  288.6 KB

2020:
Name:  G82_M4_SideView.jpg
Views: 936
Size:  293.8 KB
__________________
///M is art Artemis
Appreciate 2
stein_325i12184.00
chris7194283.50

      02-27-2021, 01:03 PM   #72
clutchdj
Lieutenant Colonel
805
Rep
1,608
Posts

Drives: a few cars
Join Date: May 2015
Location: lower ny

iTrader: (6)

Itís so cool how the M2C and e46m are so close in dimension after 20yrs
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2021, 01:06 PM   #73
stein_325i
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
stein_325i's Avatar
United_States
12184
Rep
5,801
Posts

Drives: BMW/Mercedes-Benz
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by clutchdj View Post
It's so cool how the M2C and e46m are so close in dimension after 20yrs
Yep, unlike with the G8X you can see the heritage and family resemblance in the F87.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Daily: 2019 Mercedes-Benz CLS 53 Weekend: 2008 BMW Z4 M Wife's: 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC 300
Retired:1995 E36 325i 5MT / 2004 E46 330i 6MT / 2011 E90 335xi / 2017 G30 540i / 2017 982 Boxster S 6MT / 2019 F87 M2C 6MT
Appreciate 6
clutchdj805.00
jmack322.00
RugbyBro1577.50
chief147.00
Suds570.00
Altra203.50

      02-27-2021, 01:12 PM   #74
snareman
Leave the gun. Take the Canoli.
snareman's Avatar
United_States
1267
Rep
2,781
Posts

Drives: '18 YMB M4 / Jeep Cherokee
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by clutchdj View Post
Itís so cool how the M2C and e46m are so close in dimension after 20yrs
Its so cool how the 7 series and 1 series are so close in dimensions from then to now...
__________________
2021 Enzian Blue ///M4 (PCD 5/12!) ||| 2018 ///M4 ||| 2017 ///M4 ||| 2014 435i ||| 2009 335i Coupe ||| 2007 335i Coupe
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2021, 05:09 PM   #75
The Libertine
Captain
The Libertine's Avatar
United_States
811
Rep
950
Posts

Drives: 2018 BMW X5
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by scoale View Post
Beautiful things stand out. Ugly things stand out. Doesn't mean they are both desirable.
I agree. Funny thing is, as time goes by, the ugly things stand out less - as you come to accept them -albeit begrudgingly. Then, when either by design or necessity the ugly things go away, your mind snaps back to reality and come to appreciate what an eyesore they were.
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2021, 08:05 PM   #76
Bunnny
Private
Bunnny's Avatar
Canada
59
Rep
50
Posts

Drives: 2015 M4 & 2002 330ci e46
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: AB, Canada

iTrader: (0)

I've read this article and I'd like for them to clarify specifically how many of these vehicles with the big grill they ended up selling out of their 680,000 sales number. It will make more of a difference when it's more common in every series, people might look for older more appealing models, or elsewhere all together.
I know I will be looking elsewhere if this continues, and no one offers a decent replacement.
Appreciate 0
      02-28-2021, 08:27 PM   #77
NickyC
Major General
NickyC's Avatar
8062
Rep
7,565
Posts

Drives: M4 YMB 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (19)

Remember, they know better than you. Behold the beauty.
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      03-01-2021, 07:28 AM   #78
Chihuahua
Colonel
Chihuahua's Avatar
1844
Rep
2,335
Posts

Drives: E30, F30
Join Date: May 2012
Location: ATL

iTrader: (0)

^^^looks like something I'd see at my local Dodge dealer.
Appreciate 2
stein_325i12184.00
NickyC8062.00

      03-01-2021, 02:31 PM   #79
R N M
Major
R N M's Avatar
1622
Rep
1,171
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
Making an artificial distinction between "elegant creators" and "expressive performers" ?

Sounds indeed like marketing hyperbole.

2003:
Attachment 2538575

2020:
Attachment 2538576
E46 M3 = Work of Art
G82 M4 = Work of Dysfunction
Appreciate 2
packet95.00
stein_325i12184.00

      03-01-2021, 02:38 PM   #80
R N M
Major
R N M's Avatar
1622
Rep
1,171
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyC View Post
Remember, they know better than you. Behold the beauty.
It looks most closely to a Mustang from its proportions but the Mustang is a much cleaner design from the side.
Appreciate 5
jmack322.00
NickyC8062.00
chief147.00

      03-01-2021, 03:24 PM   #81
RugbyBro
Captain
RugbyBro's Avatar
1578
Rep
887
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stein_325i View Post
Yep, unlike with the G8X you can see the heritage and family resemblance in the F87.
Man the F Chassis shoulder line remains undefeated - I seriously don't know how you would improve on it, it's already so sculpted.
__________________
F82 - Current
Appreciate 2
stein_325i12184.00
NickyC8062.00

      03-01-2021, 03:35 PM   #82
stein_325i
Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion
stein_325i's Avatar
United_States
12184
Rep
5,801
Posts

Drives: BMW/Mercedes-Benz
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by R N M View Post
It looks most closely to a Mustang from its proportions but the Mustang is a much cleaner design from the side.
I think the 8er resembles the Mustang more. The 4er has a mix of Camaro and A5 to my eyes, mainly because of the window silhouette and its upwards kink as you get further out, as well as how where the hoff kink use to be, it now just goes outwards rather than back in on itself like the old BMW's.


__________________
Daily: 2019 Mercedes-Benz CLS 53 Weekend: 2008 BMW Z4 M Wife's: 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC 300
Retired:1995 E36 325i 5MT / 2004 E46 330i 6MT / 2011 E90 335xi / 2017 G30 540i / 2017 982 Boxster S 6MT / 2019 F87 M2C 6MT
Appreciate 0
      03-01-2021, 03:45 PM   #83
NickyC
Major General
NickyC's Avatar
8062
Rep
7,565
Posts

Drives: M4 YMB 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (19)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RugbyBro View Post
Man the F Chassis shoulder line remains undefeated - I seriously don't know how you would improve on it, it's already so sculpted.
I agree, which is why I quickly bought another once I saw the G82.
Appreciate 3
RugbyBro1577.50
stein_325i12184.00
jpy19801325.50

      03-01-2021, 03:58 PM   #84
CT_M3
Lieutenant
995
Rep
421
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 DCT Competition
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (0)

Which is why we all need to thank BMW for their new design direction, the prices of our F8x cars will not suffer the usual depreciation hit when a new M model comes out.

The more I see of the new car, the uglier it gets. If the avg. buyer thinks its hot and buys it, I'm just SMH and sticking to my guns, just like Van Hooydonk and Dukec. The looks will not grow on me.
Appreciate 1
NickyC8062.00

      03-01-2021, 06:25 PM   #85
thebmw
Post Advisor
thebmw's Avatar
1200
Rep
1,515
Posts

Drives: Many BMWs and SRTs
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Illinois

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chihuahua View Post
^^^looks like something I'd see at my local Dodge dealer.
Stop insulting Dodge. Their designs make a lot more sense than the new 4 series. In fact, Dodge has been a trendsetter in many ways. Throughout the 90s, they led with innovative designs, such as cab-forward. Even now, they led the retro design craze. The new 4 is going to lead to nothing except for sales leaving BMW.
Appreciate 2
NickyC8062.00
jmack322.00

      03-01-2021, 06:46 PM   #86
Chihuahua
Colonel
Chihuahua's Avatar
1844
Rep
2,335
Posts

Drives: E30, F30
Join Date: May 2012
Location: ATL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebmw View Post
Stop insulting Dodge.
I'm insulting BMW, not Dodge. One car is having an identity crisis, the other is not.
Appreciate 0
      03-01-2021, 06:50 PM   #87
thebmw
Post Advisor
thebmw's Avatar
1200
Rep
1,515
Posts

Drives: Many BMWs and SRTs
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Illinois

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chihuahua View Post
I'm insulting BMW, not Dodge. One car is having an identity crisis, the other is not.
I should have put a :-) after the "stop insulting Dodge" comment. I know exactly what you meant and I'm on the same page. Dodge, with their 14 year old designs, is doing a much better job than BMW. It's insulting to Dodge to compare them to BMW now! BMW is lost and the way that their designers and executives are behaving is deeply disturbing. I'm genuinely embarrassed now to say that I have a BMW.
Appreciate 0
      03-01-2021, 07:04 PM   #88
Machinebuilder
Second Lieutenant
Machinebuilder's Avatar
United_States
250
Rep
244
Posts

Drives: 640 IX GT MS, 440IX 6MT Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Northeast USA

iTrader: (0)

After reading all these comments it saddens me a bit. I have been a lifelong BMW owner and always thought of BMW as near the top in design, quality and function in fine German automobiles. I agree this era will be looked at as a low point. Hopefully they will find their way again and make the transition to EV's with style. BMW is lucky to have good competitors like Porsche, Audi, Mercedes and now Tesla which will force it either build competitive products or fall by the wayside. Time will tell but they still build excellent products so there is hope.
Appreciate 1
NickyC8062.00

Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:22 AM.




6post.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST