Does BMW still sell the n63?

[DXfan01]

So I had a total engine failure in my 2012 coupe, engine literally exploded and my extended warranty through Mercury is replacing the engine but I’m wondering will I just be getting another N63? Or will I be getting the N63TU? Questions I’m realizing I should’ve asked but my service rep doesn’t seem very knowledgeable anyways.

[Derekz4]

Being that it’s an aftermarket warranty, they may only payout for a new short block and make them transfer any part they determine to be still good. Of course, depending what failed.
When I worked at Jaguar, the factory would never have us rebuild anything, but the after market guys would make us to save a few bucks.

[DXfan01]

Originally Posted by Derekz4

Being that it’s an aftermarket warranty, they may only payout for a new short block and make them transfer any part they determine to be still good. Of course, depending what failed.
When I worked at Jaguar, the factory would never have us rebuild anything, but the after market guys would make us to save a few bucks.

Well as far as I know they aren’t rebuilding they’re completely replacing, my service rep said they don’t rebuild engines as well. But when I asked if I was getting the same type of N63 or the TU he said the same. But I also read they don’t distribute those out anymore. So I was wondering if he just doesn’t know.

[AccordTR]

Originally Posted by DXfan01

So I had a total engine failure in my 2012 coupe, engine literally exploded and my extended warranty through Mercury is replacing the engine but I'm wondering will I just be getting another N63? Or will I be getting the N63TU? Questions I'm realizing I should've asked but my service rep doesn't seem very knowledgeable anyways.

You'll get a reman n63 short block. Bmw is selling them for about $4k right now. Bottom half only obviously, top is reused. Bmw dropped the price hugely because of the lawsuit and the shear number of n63 replacements needed.

[Derekz4]

Admittedly, I don’t own a 6 with a 63 motor for the reasons you are currently dealing with. I I’m not in the full know of the complete differences between the N63 and the TU. From what I read, it appears that most, of not all, are bolt on items. Fuel injectors, timing chain, batteries and other items related to the cooling system.
My fear is that at best, you will receive a block with cylinder heads and they reuse everything else.
I would ask the service manager, not the advisor.

And I thought the N62 couldn’t get any worse, then came the N63

[Derekz4]

These are the differences between a long block and short block.

“They only differ in the components they carry. A short block package typically includes the engine block, crank and pistons. ... A long block engine has all the parts of the short block package. To the skeleton that is the short block, it adds a cylinder head, camshaft and valve-train.”

[DXfan01]

Originally Posted by AccordTR

You'll get a reman n63 short block. Bmw is selling them for about $4k right now. Bottom half only obviously, top is reused. Bmw dropped the price hugely because of the lawsuit and the shear number of n63 replacements needed.

But they charged my warranty company $15k , is the rest just labor then?

[AccordTR]

Originally Posted by Derekz4

Admittedly, I don't own a 6 with a 63 motor for the reasons you are currently dealing with. I I'm not in the full know of the complete differences between the N63 and the TU. From what I read, it appears that most, of not all, are bolt on items. Fuel injectors, timing chain, batteries and other items related to the cooling system.
My fear is that at best, you will receive a block with cylinder heads and they reuse everything else.
I would ask the service manager, not the advisor.

And I thought the N62 couldn't get any worse, then came the N63

The n63 and the n63tu are basically 2 different motors as revisions are concerned. You can not swap a n63 to a n63tu unless you replace massive amounts of parts, wiring and electronics. They may share a common name but it's way beyond bolt-ons.


https://bmwtuning.co/bmw-n63-vs-n63t...tu2-vs-n63tu3/

As it stats... almost a different engine and it is.

[AccordTR]

Originally Posted by DXfan01

But they charged my warranty company $15k , is the rest just labor then?

Yep. Labour is massive

[Derekz4]

Originally Posted by DXfan01

But they charged my warranty company $15k , is the rest just labor then?

That may be the answer. The last quote for a new complete motor I saw, which was an N62, was north of 30k

[AccordTR]

Originally Posted by Derekz4

That may be the answer. The last quote for a new complete motor I saw, which was an N62, was north of 30k

N63 was over $20k replacement before lawsuit. Bmw dropped the short block price by over half to 'help'

[DXfan01]

Originally Posted by AccordTR

N63 was over $20k replacement before lawsuit. Bmw dropped the short block price by over half to 'help'

Hmmm so now I’m wondering if he just lied about “completely replacing” the engine. I will definitely have to speak with the service manager .

[AccordTR]

Originally Posted by DXfan01

Hmmm so now I’m wondering if he just lied about “completely replacing” the engine. I will definitely have to speak with the service manager .

No they probably did give you a reman block and swap over all of the parts from the top end. $15k is the right number with labour.

[AmooManiak]

If it makes you feel any better, I've had two N63s and 1 N63TU and by far the N63s were a lot more reliable with less issues and "drank" less oil. Never had issues with the N63s for years, sold the TU after 1.5 years due to constant need to add oil. I'm good friends with a Service Advisor and talked to him about N63s/TUs, etc. He said that they try to replace some parts with better/newer revised ones. Not sure to what extent.

I feel like BMW added the "new" variants to make the customers feel like they are getting a newer/better engine, when in reality they are euqally crap and just ticking timebombs. Even so, I've come to realize that I'm addicted to the torque and in this case the saying "you gotta pay to play" is spot on.

Even the new M550i is still having similar issues.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml

Believe it or not, they use a similar nomenclature instead of coming up with something else. You'd think they'd call it N64 to make people not realize they are not fixing the issues and/or are creating new issues with the new variants.

What I'm trying to say is, enjoy your new engine as I'm sure it comes with a warranty. You are in a better spot than having a used N63TU.

[DXfan01]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

If it makes you feel any better, I've had two N63s and 1 N63TU and by far the N63s were a lot more reliable with less issues and "drank" less oil. Never had issues with the N63s for years, sold the TU after 1.5 years due to constant need to add oil. I'm good friends with a Service Advisor and talked to him about N63s/TUs, etc. He said that they try to replace some parts with better/newer revised ones. Not sure to what extent.

I feel like BMW added the "new" variants to make the customers feel like they are getting a newer/better engine, when in reality they are euqally crap and just ticking timebombs. Even so, I've come to realize that I'm addicted to the torque and in this case the saying "you gotta pay to play" is spot on.

Even the new M550i is still having similar issues.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml

Believe it or not, they use a similar nomenclature instead of coming up with something else. You'd think they'd call it N64 to make people not realize they are not fixing the issues and/or are creating new issues with the new variants.

What I'm trying to say is, enjoy your new engine as I'm sure it comes with a warranty. You are in a better spot than having a used N63TU.

Thanks for this, ugh will have to wait a little longer as I was just told the car was on its final test drive and was rear ended .. so now they have to get the back fixed . I almost want to cause a ruckus about this .

[Derekz4]

Originally Posted by DXfan01

Thanks for this, ugh will have to wait a little longer as I was just told the car was on its final test drive and was rear ended .. so now they have to get the back fixed . I almost want to cause a ruckus about this .

Geez, what dealer is this?

[DXfan01]

Originally Posted by Derekz4

Geez, what dealer is this?

Valencia BMW in Santa Clarita.