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Engine freeze vote is looking positive

All teams are expected to be voting for the engine freeze to continue.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/77608...and-honda.html
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Wait, so the motors are getting frozen again with Merc having the best AGAIN for the next four years with no way for anyone else to upgrade their units? Am I reading that right? If so why does anybody agree to this crap, Ferrari for instance should just pack it up and quit F1.

This "sport" is such an unmitigated, uncompetitive disaster. Thank God for DVR and the ability to watch these snooze fests in under 10 minutes.
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Well...Merc don't care...freeze or no freeze.
Red Bull didn't want a freeze a couple of years ago now they do.
Renault would rather not have a freeze as they are short 20-30 bhp
Ferrari have a veto...if they think they have got PU parity with Merc then they might agree a freeze. If not then they will veto the proposal.
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One of the major advantages of racing is the ability of the racers to develop and refine the cars to go as fast as possible within the set of rules that the governing body has prescribed. As safe limits are exceeded the rules are adjusted to keep the participants as safe as possible. To freeze the power units would handcuff the brilliant minds that are now able to extract unreal amounts of power through development. Cost being probably the largest factor should not be allowed to stop development in racing that trickles down to all the cars that we enjoy driving on the road today. It would great to see 20 cars being competitive every week but freezing engine development will not do it.
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Wait, so the motors are getting frozen again with Merc having the best AGAIN for the next four years with no way for anyone else to upgrade their units? Am I reading that right? If so why does anybody agree to this crap, Ferrari for instance should just pack it up and quit F1.

This "sport" is such an unmitigated, uncompetitive disaster. Thank God for DVR and the ability to watch these snooze fests in under 10 minutes.
The PU's show almost equal power output . It's a game of 30-40 HP .
The difference of this power is showed in 0.1/0.2 sec.

It's the Merc's extra power that comes from the Merc's ERS-K and the ERS-H (MGU)
In generator mode the ERS-H can be used in several ways; some simple, others more complex and the Merc's is still secret.
That's the Merc's Party-mode , Magic-mode . Or whatever it may be ..
This extra power advantage is enough to make it in every single race to the well know gap !
Coming out of the curves ..The Merc's are pushing more torque , even a child can see that !
Even George Russell was able to show us that...

Engine freeze ? Won't change anything for the Merc's advantage . And of course Merc will agree because their advantage will be remained !

The Merc's advantage is a decade => https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=44056073
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The PU's show almost equal power output . It's a game of 30-40 HP .
The difference of this power is showed in 0.1/0.2 sec.

It's the Merc's extra power that comes from the Merc's ERS-K and the ERS-H (MGU)
In generator mode the ERS-H can be used in several ways; some simple, others more complex and the Merc's is still secret.
That's the Merc's Party-mode , Magic-mode . Or whatever it may be ..
This extra power advantage is enough to make it in every single race to the well know gap !
Coming out of the curves ..The Merc's are pushing more torque , even a child can see that !
Even George Russell was able to show us that...

Engine freeze ? Won't change anything for the Merc's advantage . And of course Merc will agree because their advantage will be remained !

The Merc's advantage is a decade => https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...l?oid=44056073
It's not about peak power...it's about the shape of the power curve and deployment. Honda may very well get the peak level but their power curves as well as that of the Renault are inferior.

Once again, everyone is being out engineered. Mercedes just do a better job. It's not that hard to understand!!
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It's not about peak power...it's about the shape of the power curve and deployment. Honda may very well get the peak level but their power curves as well as that of the Renault are inferior.

Once again, everyone is being out engineered. Mercedes just do a better job. It's not that hard to understand!!
Ohhh....My friend , I agree and understand the whole situation completely !
As your man HAM said : "I'd still be a one-time World Champion" if still at McLaren !

"The car" "The Merc's" spaceship makes the driver ! The advantage is huge !
Just ask George Russell ...
Bottas ? Well,this showed once again how bad he actually is...

Later Russel said : Feels like my Williams isn't moving anymore...
Damn ! Feel so sorry for the guy !
F1 was/is never been fair....
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MKSixer Ahem....deployment... aka driver feedback to team and driver abilities.
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It's not about peak power...it's about the shape of the power curve and deployment. Honda may very well get the peak level but their power curves as well as that of the Renault are inferior.

Once again, everyone is being out engineered. Mercedes just do a better job. It's not that hard to understand!!
With help from nasa also friend, it's a bit more than 'engineering' there.
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With help from nasa also friend, it's a bit more than 'engineering' there.
Whatever. I've gotten help from NASA on projects in the past when I worked in telecommunications.

What's your point?
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With help from nasa also friend, it's a bit more than 'engineering' there.
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Whatever. I've gotten help from NASA on projects in the past when I worked in telecommunications.

What's your point?
The/his point is the advantage and support which other teams didn't had ...

#notfair !
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notfair !
Its just not fair...everyone should help Verstappen win a championship.
Maybe Red Bull could invent something to stop him crashing?

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The/his point is the advantage and support which other teams didn't had ...

#notfair !
Took the words right out of my mouth
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The/his point is the advantage and support which other teams didn't had ...

#notfair !
Whatís stopping RB from collaborating to improve their car?

Oh right, nothing...

Keep on crying that itís ďnot fairĒ.
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Whatís stopping RB from collaborating to improve their car?

Oh right, nothing...

Keep on crying that itís ďnot fairĒ.
The Mercs advantage is top-secret . The F1 advanced technology is top-secret .
Perhaps you think the Mercs advantage of the last decade is just for sale ?

A pretty example is/was the Mercs DAS ,Party-Mode and extra tyre cooling !
But hey as you know , Ferrari did in 2019 a great job with the Ferrari Jet-mode and the strawberry smell !
I didn't saw other teams using it. As I said it wasn't for sale ...
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The Mercs advantage is top-secret . The F1 advanced technology is top-secret .
Perhaps you think the Mercs advantage of the last decade is just for sale ?

A pretty example is/was the Mercs DAS ,Party-Mode and extra tyre cooling !
But hey as you know , Ferrari did in 2019 a great job with the Ferrari Jet-mode and the strawberry smell !
I didn't saw other teams using it. As I said it wasn't for sale ...
My friend as far as nasa are concerned, well,I'm sure you have heard of 'alien tech'.
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My friend as far as nasa are concerned, well,I'm sure you have heard of 'alien tech'.
Indeed my friend . "ET" tech (warp-speed) was involved in the Mercs advantage !
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Indeed my friend . "ET" tech (warp-speed) was involved in the Mercs advantage !
I'd like to look in the W12 generators...
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The Mercs advantage is top-secret . The F1 advanced technology is top-secret .
Perhaps you think the Mercs advantage of the last decade is just for sale ?

A pretty example is/was the Mercs DAS ,Party-Mode and extra tyre cooling !
But hey as you know , Ferrari did in 2019 a great job with the Ferrari Jet-mode and the strawberry smell !
I didn't saw other teams using it. As I said it wasn't for sale ...
You, like RB have obviously never heard of something called innovation and development.

No one is saying to buy Mercís technology - go out and develop/innovate your own.

Oh thatís right, RB is too busy praising their driver and coming up with excuses why he canít win - along with his fan.

Queue the excuses in the next replies...
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You, like RB have obviously never heard of something called innovation and development.

No one is saying to buy Mercís technology - go out and develop/innovate your own.

Oh thatís right, RB is too busy praising their driver and coming up with excuses why he canít win - along with his fan.

Queue the excuses in the next replies...
And where you think the other teams are at ?

Yeah , they are running in the same boat and a decade behind of the Mercs advantages ..
#Titanic !

Never before in the F1 history , a car advantage was so pronounced and clear as the presence of the Mercs spaceship !

yOu make it sound so easy in your comment ? Perhaps you can help the other teams to beat the Mercs ?
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I'd like to look in the W12 generators...
Well my friend .Just shoot a picture and probably you wouldn't survive it ..
#fatalaccident !
Of course the hidden software (Party&Magic-Mode) are invisible !
#topsecret !
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