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      04-11-2020, 01:52 AM   #1
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Intercooler suggestions :sigh:

I am looking for an intercooler since the temps in my country reach +50C~ and I would appreciate your inputs

below is the list of options

VSRF $ 999.99


https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-compet...3-f06-s63.html


BMS $ 1,199



https://burgertuning.com/products/s6...-for-bmw-m5-m6


CSF $ 2,495



https://csfrace.com/bmw-f1x-cooling/
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      04-11-2020, 09:54 AM   #2
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Interesting. Subscribed
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Evolve posted a video awhile back on upgrading the charge coolers on an M6 and it did produce tangible results.


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Thanx for the video @AlpineKing_M6GC.

I don't think 2 or 3 degrees justify the cost + Meth is involved. Not sure if I am ready to use meth.

Did anyone test the other two intercoolers?

CSF claims 28% increase in size against OEM while VRSF 50%, is bigger better in this case?
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      04-12-2020, 07:26 AM   #5
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wow i never knew vrsf even made these.. keen!
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They were just released chinese copies of the csf coolers. I forget how they did but i think they do a good enough job.
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They were just released chinese copies of the csf coolers. I forget how they did but i think they do a good enough job.
I'm not ordering anything from China for the coming 10 years
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They were just released chinese copies of the csf coolers. I forget how they did but i think they do a good enough job.
did you mean the vrsf ones?
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did you mean the vrsf ones?
yeah, the vrsf, and the others are Chinese copies of the CSF coolers.
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I am looking for an intercooler since the temps in my country reach +50C~ and I would appreciate your inputs

below is the list of options

VSRF $ 999.99


https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-compet...3-f06-s63.html


BMS $ 1,199



https://burgertuning.com/products/s6...-for-bmw-m5-m6


CSF $ 2,495



https://csfrace.com/bmw-f1x-cooling/
Just an update I went with 50/50 methanol lol made life much easier
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Just an update I went with 50/50 methanol lol made life much easier
Which did end up going with the CSF Intercoolers? Also would you mind sharing some pics of your meth setup? Im about to reinstall my system as well on my vsrf intercoolers and I'm looking for neater installs.
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I haven't spent the time to really dig in to the answer on this, but I have my guesses... Why is no one looking at the radiator side of the equation? If you increase the heat transfer on the cooler side, you still need to dump it to the air somewhere or all you are doing is heating the coolant... I suspect that BMW did not oversize the radiators just for fun, and so there isn't going to be a tremendous amount of excess capacity to make larger coolers actually do anything (other than maybe short term coolant temp increases).

To me the answer here is methanol. I ran methanol injection on my supercharged Corvette motor with great success. Downside is this is really only a "street" or drag race solution as at some point on a road course or extended race you are going to run out of the stuff with very negative results. I wouldn't even contemplate new charge coolers on the M6 unless you are approaching air flow limits and they are capping raw power potential because of pressure drops, cooling isn't going to get much better.
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Which did end up going with the CSF Intercoolers? Also would you mind sharing some pics of your meth setup? Im about to reinstall my system as well on my vsrf intercoolers and I'm looking for neater installs.
I kept that stock IC, but I used 50/50 meth spraying at the charge pipe.

Controller is by Torqbyte (CM5 - LTS) , BMS pump & Aquamist nozzles.

Bm3 Stage 2 93OCT

Datalog with WMI https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f1e...729b74ba722514

Will share some pics after work.

Update

Here are some photo of my setup.

I installed the controller, pump & tank in the trunk.

Moved the wires & hose from the trunk to front of the engine.

I tapped into the manifold pressure sensor rather than the throttle body pressure sensor, the only advantage is usually when you shift or release the throttle TMAP overboost (in my case 30+ PSI) while the throttle is almost close causing the controller to continue signalling the pump to spray.
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I haven't spent the time to really dig in to the answer on this, but I have my guesses... Why is no one looking at the radiator side of the equation? If you increase the heat transfer on the cooler side, you still need to dump it to the air somewhere or all you are doing is heating the coolant... I suspect that BMW did not oversize the radiators just for fun, and so there isn't going to be a tremendous amount of excess capacity to make larger coolers actually do anything (other than maybe short term coolant temp increases).

To me the answer here is methanol. I ran methanol injection on my supercharged Corvette motor with great success. Downside is this is really only a "street" or drag race solution as at some point on a road course or extended race you are going to run out of the stuff with very negative results. I wouldn't even contemplate new charge coolers on the M6 unless you are approaching air flow limits and they are capping raw power potential because of pressure drops, cooling isn't going to get much better.
To prevent any negative impacts, I did not tune specifically for meth. My setup is merely for cooling properties & octane boost and I have noticed a better timing 11+ which helped in getting the most out of the tune.

In case meth failed for any reason nothing serious will happen.

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