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They sell like crack cocaine to old people, they are in a great position. If they are developing EV technology, they will be set. A lot of automakers are doing a lot of work behind the scenes with EV models and about to release scores of stuff, but the one thing that Subaru knows is how to sell boring cars and people will always get old and need a "safe" car. If they stay in that market, they'll do well. The good side is for some of us that are young enough, we will be able to get around on our own after we are unable to drive a car.

I know with other manufacturers, they are entering transition zones where they do have some pretty hot EV vehicles planned, but the current models are becoming hold-overs until those newer production lines are ramped up. Subaru obviously doesn't care enough to release something like a CTS-V Blackwing, so yeah...
They aren't developing EV technology. The Solterra is 100% Toyota. The problem with Subaru is that their success revolves around quirky, affordable AWD vehicles and once we are in an all-EV landscape where all brands will offer vehicles with front and rear motors their boxer engine & symmetrical AWD system will be officially dead. They will lose their quirkiness and anything that differentiates them from any other brands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are eventually absorbed by Toyota.
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Levorg-based 271 hp WRX wagon for Australia. Subaru bosses probably think that Americans don’t like wagons. Instead they love sedans with heavy plastic cladding.
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I just want to see some enough on the next STi!
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Levorg-based 271 hp WRX wagon for Australia. Subaru bosses probably think that Americans don’t like wagons. Instead they love sedans with heavy plastic cladding.
It all looks good, too bad its CVT ONLY. Laughable decision by Subaru.
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It all looks good, too bad its CVT ONLY. Laughable decision by Subaru.
The Japanese LOVES their CVT, and that's likely why it is the way it is.
Yes, a 5/6 speed version of the Levorg would have been a winner, but we can all see how amazingly well wagons sell here, pretty sure its the same reason the VA gen WRX doesn't get sold here as a wagon/hatchback
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It all looks good, too bad its CVT ONLY. Laughable decision by Subaru.
The Japanese LOVES their CVT, and that's likely why it is the way it is.
Yes, a 5/6 speed version of the Levorg would have been a winner, but we can all see how amazingly well wagons sell here, pretty sure its the same reason the VA gen WRX doesn't get sold here as a wagon/hatchback
This is for the Australian market though, not the Japanese.
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It all looks good, too bad its CVT ONLY. Laughable decision by Subaru.
Yes, they should have offered manual as option. People say Subaru’s CVT is not as bad and noisy as Nissan’s.
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Yes, they should have offered manual as option. People say Subaru’s CVT is not as bad and noisy as Nissan’s.
They are just as bad in regards to reliability as like Nissan, Subaru also had to extend the warranty on them because of premature failures. The reason the Japanese love them is because they are cheap and help attain higher fuel mileage. There's a reason the Japanese never really dabbled in DCT's and it's because they are very frugal when it comes to adding tech to vehicles. Subaru is one of the cheapest Japanese brands as they haven't even invested in a proper torque converter automatic for their more expensive models like the Ascent or WRX/STI. If Subaru was proud of their CVT's they wouldn't try to hide them from general public by omitting the words "CVT" in all their sales literature and calling it only a Subaru Performance Transmission with the WRX.
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Not an attractive car but in the TH review it doesn't look as bad as before.

It doesn't sound like anything remarkable to drive relative to its segment. They mentioned the steering is light even in corners and has no road feel. Interior is typical Subaru plastic everywhere. Aside from AWD and option for a stick, I don't see the appeal of this car.
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Next gen ICE STI based on the the new WRX platform is dead:

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CAMDEN, N.J., March 11, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- As the automotive marketplace continues to move towards electrification, Subaru is focused on how our future sports and performance cars should evolve to meet the needs of the changing marketplace and the regulations and requirements for greenhouse gasses (GHG), zero emissions vehicles (ZEV), and Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ).

As part of that effort, Subaru Corporation is exploring opportunities for the next generation Subaru WRX STI, including electrification. In the meantime, a next generation internal combustion engine WRX STI will not be produced based upon the new WRX platform.

The Subaru WRX STI and the STI brand represent the zenith of Subaru's performance vehicles exemplifying Subaru's unique DNA and rally heritage. As we look to the future, we also look forward to incorporating the essence of STI into our next generation of vehicles.
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CAMDEN, N.J., March 11, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- As the automotive marketplace continues to move towards electrification, Subaru is focused on how our future sports and performance cars should evolve to meet the needs of the changing marketplace and the regulations and requirements for greenhouse gasses (GHG), zero emissions vehicles (ZEV), and Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ).

As part of that effort, Subaru Corporation is exploring opportunities for the next generation Subaru WRX STI, including electrification. In the meantime, a next generation internal combustion engine WRX STI will not be produced based upon the new WRX platform.

The Subaru WRX STI and the STI brand represent the zenith of Subaru's performance vehicles exemplifying Subaru's unique DNA and rally heritage. As we look to the future, we also look forward to incorporating the essence of STI into our next generation of vehicles.
It's the end of an era.
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That's the first thing I said about mine


For real though, this sucks. Can't say I'm surprised though. They couldn't make anything competitive enough so they just cancelled it. After the crap ass attempt at this new WRX, I'm not sure it would have even been any good anyways.

Still pisses me off they didn't even try. At least make a final edition and model year of the current gen. Don't just stop making it then pull this crap.

Flaws or not, the STI deserved better.
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I wonder if I should reconsider selling my '21 STI now!
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Idiotic decision by Subaru - STI is a very low volume model for Subaru and would have limited impact on emissions. They also would be using same engine as WRX just with more boost.

Really confusing decision.
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That's the first thing I said about mine


For real though, this sucks. Can't say I'm surprised though. They couldn't make anything competitive enough so they just cancelled it. After the crap ass attempt at this new WRX, I'm not sure it would have even been any good anyways.

Still pisses me off they didn't even try. At least make a final edition and model year of the current gen. Don't just stop making it then pull this crap.

Flaws or not, the STI deserved better.
Even if they dropped exact same drivetrain in there, I think it still would have sold. Especially when Evos are no longer a thing.

Not that I would have considered the car, but it is sad to see these cars going away.
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Idiotic decision by Subaru - STI is a very low volume model for Subaru and would have limited impact on emissions. They also would be using same engine as WRX just with more boost.

Really confusing decision.
Rumor has it that Subaru was having issues getting reliable 300+ hp out of the FA24 and the EJ257 would not meet 2023 EPA changes so rather than sink money into modifying the FA24 for a single generation they decided to skip. I expect the next STI will come out in around 2028/29 and be a Toyota based EV.
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Even if they dropped exact same drivetrain in there, I think it still would have sold. Especially when Evos are no longer a thing.

Not that I would have considered the car, but it is sad to see these cars going away.
I agree that it would have sold, but not without a ton of backlash online. I started following nasioc more since purchasing my 2020 STI, and hoo boy, there is just no making anyone happy over there. A lot of the criticism is deserved on the 2022 WRX, but the expectations for the STI to somehow fix everything and have 400hp was ridiculous. I don't know if Subaru could even build that car for under 50k/unit.

I started thinking about what I would have liked a next gen STI to be based on the current WRX, and honestly it wouldn't have taken much:

- FA24 with bigger turbo, 6500+ RPM redline, and 330HP (anything more would be great, but trying to be realistic)
- Adaptive dampers from WRX GT
- Same Aisin transmission, DCCD, and diffs from the outgoing model, with bonus points for a new rear torque vectoring diff to help rotation
- New front bumper based on the VIZIV STI concept.
- Paint the lower rocker panels body color. Leave the unpainted fenders if absolutely needed. This again follows the VIZIV STI concept.
- Big wing, with delete optional.
- A revised rear bumper would have been nice, but for the sake of this post, could have been left out

I'm no engineer, but I don't think any of those changes would have been groundbreaking enough to cancel the model altogether. I think it would have been generally well received if it drove well and the tuning potential was there.

Regardless, I was definitely a little bummed out all weekend after seeing the announcement. It was pretty depressing news that is more of an indicator of the era we live in and where we're going than anything else. I purposely bought my 2020 when I did because I had a feeling the new generation car would lose the old school feel of the VA generation. Turns out I made the right call. At the time I called it the oldest new car you can buy today. And now it's finally discontinued. It pisses me off that Subaru didn't even try to launch something or even send off the old STI properly. It's more of a kick in the ass on the way out. The STI deserved better than that.
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I agree that it would have sold, but not without a ton of backlash online. I started following nasioc more since purchasing my 2020 STI, and hoo boy, there is just no making anyone happy over there. A lot of the criticism is deserved on the 2022 WRX, but the expectations for the STI to somehow fix everything and have 400hp was ridiculous. I don't know if Subaru could even build that car for under 50k/unit.

I started thinking about what I would have liked a next gen STI to be based on the current WRX, and honestly it wouldn't have taken much:

- FA24 with bigger turbo, 6500+ RPM redline, and 330HP (anything more would be great, but trying to be realistic)
- Adaptive dampers from WRX GT
- Same Aisin transmission, DCCD, and diffs from the outgoing model, with bonus points for a new rear torque vectoring diff to help rotation
- New front bumper based on the VIZIV STI concept.
- Paint the lower rocker panels body color. Leave the unpainted fenders if absolutely needed. This again follows the VIZIV STI concept.
- Big wing, with delete optional.
- A revised rear bumper would have been nice, but for the sake of this post, could have been left out

I'm no engineer, but I don't think any of those changes would have been groundbreaking enough to cancel the model altogether. I think it would have been generally well received if it drove well and the tuning potential was there.

Regardless, I was definitely a little bummed out all weekend after seeing the announcement. It was pretty depressing news that is more of an indicator of the era we live in and where we're going than anything else. I purposely bought my 2020 when I did because I had a feeling the new generation car would lose the old school feel of the VA generation. Turns out I made the right call. At the time I called it the oldest new car you can buy today. And now it's finally discontinued. It pisses me off that Subaru didn't even try to launch something or even send off the old STI properly. It's more of a kick in the ass on the way out. The STI deserved better than that.
I don't think your list is all that unrealistic to be honest, but it seems clear to me from that statement that this was more a matter of emissions than spending money to improve performance.

Like you, I'm bummed that they didn't even really send off the car properly. Just a letter that says, oh btw, no STI coming until next gen essentially. The STI did indeed deserve better than that, coming from someone that grew up in the Colin Mcrae era.

P.S. The STI's already hold their values well, I expect yours to maybe even appreciate already.
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I don't think your list is all that unrealistic to be honest, but it seems clear to me from that statement that this was more a matter of emissions than spending money to improve performance.

Like you, I'm bummed that they didn't even really send off the car properly. Just a letter that says, oh btw, no STI coming until next gen essentially. The STI did indeed deserve better than that, coming from someone that grew up in the Colin Mcrae era.

P.S. The STI's already hold their values well, I expect yours to maybe even appreciate already.
Haha yeah, I think the market is going to blow up in a few months/years. But after this announcement, I'll never sell. The 2 sports cars I own, R8, and STI, are both discontinued after this year. Cars like these don't exist anymore, and there isn't a single car I can think of that I'd replace them with. I'd love an RS6, but only to add, not replace.

Fortunately, both of them will never be my DD, so I'll be able to keep them in good shape and enjoy them for years to come. I want my kids to experience them when they're of driving age to show them what cars used to be like, what driving used to mean and how it made you feel revving out an engine and executing the perfect shift with a smile on your face. How they used to make 'em before everything became a toaster that just takes you to work and back. The good old days.
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