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I'm just confused with all the numbers
My buddy got a 2014 M6. I was a little confused on why because he had been saying he loved the LCI lights so I asked him why.
His reply was simply "The 2014" is faster. Now I'm really confused. Both of ours are GC competitions, mine technically should be getting more HP because it's a 2017. Though when I google any of the status on websites I see numbers all over the place. 3.5,3.7,4.1. My trusted website is fastestlaps. and it's putting the 2014 at 3.7 while the the 2016 sits at 4.1. Man I'm confused, so I just said hell to it, and said let's just race. First of all we attempted multiple runs using different launch setups. traction off, traction MDM etc. Most times I won, but I'm not sure if I truly did, I just have more experience with launching her, and our tires life spans are different which could mean a lot too. I'm just confused, is there even a 0-60 difference between the 40hp vs 15hp versions? Is the 40 just adding more wheel spin and making it worse? |
04-29-2020, 12:08 AM | #2 |
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0-60 is much more down to the tyre, surface quality etc than anything else.
560/575/600ps versions could easily lose or win to each other on any given day. Give me R888R tyres on a 560ps version and I'll smoke a 600ps car on shitty Pzero tyres every time. 'faster' isn't just 0-60 either. In almost every RWD car available since about 2010 it just isn't relevant to anything apart from traffic light drag races
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04-29-2020, 07:17 AM | #3 |
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Well everyone knows the 2014s are the fastest....
Are both your cars comp package? They should come out pretty close no matter what if both are stock. I would recommend a 60-120 pull. Your extra power should be on the top end if you are going to pull away. Also you guys could just both go put your cars on dynos to see who is actually making more power. |
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04-29-2020, 07:49 AM | #4 |
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The difference in power on stock flashes is only at the top of the rev range @6500 rpm. Once both cars are tuned they would be the same. Imo unless you are leaving the car stock. The comp pack is not worth it. If you leave it alone, its s nice little extra touch.
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It may seem that 40hp more is a lot, but the various engines and setup will have a different true output. In a standing still race it is reaction time, tires, traction, shift points, etc and all this will make a huge difference on the result if you are only running to 60mph. On the comp Vs non-comp package if you look at the graphs that BMW shows the curves are identical up to 200rpm before red line, so the 0.1s that BMW quotes is a marketing thing.
Here is a dyno summary from a stock non-comp with a performance exhaust MPE. If you assume only 11% loses based on research of the new drive train systems do your math...these are powerful GT cruisers |
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I don't recall specifics, but I believe BMW simply just retuned the car, likely by adding boost pressure. The stock cars already run rich, and a very easy way to extract small amounts of horsepower out of a turbo car it's just turning up the boost a bit. All other technical aspects of the competition package across the entire model range did not change. If you're trying to compare 0 to 60 times, especially between minute differences of LCI vs pre-LCI, it's more going to be the difference of the conditions and the driver rather than the car. Don't let marketing numbers fool you. So if anyone's reading this and trying to consider LCI vs pre-LCI, for competition pkg, the key thing to consider is whether you like the upgraded headlights, and depending on the model year, what version of the iDrive is acceptable to you.
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By the way if we assume 11% drive train losses we get close to 620hp and 560lbft for the regular M6 with an MPE...this gives you an idea about the M6 power in general |
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I'm not surprised by this run. BMW has been under rating its turbo engines. I typically go by base assumption that T0 and T2 motors are 600 hp. T4s are 620.
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The 600ps one also has a little bit more torque:
560ps: 680nm from 1500-5750rpm 575ps: 680nm from 1500-6000rpm 600ps: 700nm from 1500-6000rpm Curiously the 600ps one is just at a peak, the others have power across a small band: 560ps and 575ps: 6000-7000rpm 600ps: 6250rpm
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I also call complete rubbish on the 1500rpm figure for max torque, I feel like 2000rpm or so it much more realistic. Not a complaint though - the engine is just so amazing I don't think you could complain about anything at all in regards to power delivery.
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This video confuses me... looks like the m6 competition is quicker below 120kmh but then the m6 non-competition is quicker up to 270kmh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm_156MljCQ |
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Spend 1900 on a simple tune to get -
100+ hp and call is a day Either way the car is fast - not sure if in the car if u can tell diff between 3.8 vs 4.0 Get tune - kick a$$ Call is a day Good luck
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