TIFU: Doing a log run, past a speed camera...

[Matticus91]

Went out to capture a log with the JB4, paying more attention to the road and my laptop than the surroundings and I did a 1st-3rd gear blast right past a speed trap. I'm too nervous to look at my dashcam (rear camera) footage to see if the camera flash tripped when I went by....

Woops......

[Captain Blood]

Sounds like you need to be on Waze. How fast were you going? 65? 70?

[c1pher]

Probably now have warrants out for you. Honestly, I don't know but thought I'd try to scare you lol.

[Esteban]

Must focus...

[elitesales305]

FTP!

[Thunderguts]

Fortunately we don't have speed cameras here, just red light cameras. I assume you don't get any points since they cannot prove who was driving.

[tock172]

Speed cameras are such a scam in my opinion. It was a relief when the government shutdown translated to them being turned off and eventually removed back when I lived in AZ.

[JimVonBaden]

DC speed cameras can only fine you, and no points awarded. Basically pretty limited amounts too.

[xQx]

Ouch, I hope you got away with it.

The only 'hope' is the top of 3rd gear is only 100mph, and you tend to only be doing those speeds for a few seconds... so as long as you weren't right at the end of your run, it shouldn't be a loss of license event.

Also, I'm not sure how well speed cameras work when you're drastically changing speed - I thought if you were rapidly accelerating or rapidly breaking you'll trigger an 'errored / low quality reading' which (depending on how vicious your local law enforcement are) may result in them not trying to book you.

I'm 'lucky' enough to live in a jurisdiction where radar detectors are illegal and speed cameras are "anywhere, anytime". (They've subcontracted it out to civilians, so literally any parked car could be a camera) ... so you get to know rural 'B' roads in 100kph zones that don't get enough traffic to warrant police attention that are good for logging.

My advice (not that you asked for it): Do it in the middle of the day (less police, better visibility), and drive the road first, then do a U turn and do your run. Also, when you hit 4th, brake hard (don't just coast along at 100mph) to minimize your time over the limit.

(EDIT: obligatory. Don't break the law. Speed limits save lives. All logs should be done on private roads or the track. This is not legal advice. )

[Matticus91]

Originally Posted by Real Dodger

Sounds like you need to be on Waze. How fast were you going? 65? 70?

I use waze! I just didn't have it on this time

Originally Posted by MGM135is

Probably now have warrants out for you. Honestly, I don't know but thought I'd try to scare you lol.

Lmao thanks man that helps

Originally Posted by Esteban

Must focus...

You're killing me dude lol

Originally Posted by elitesales305

FTP!

What is this I don't even....

Originally Posted by Thunderguts

Fortunately we don't have speed cameras here, just red light cameras. I assume you don't get any points since they cannot prove who was driving.

Correct no points just FINES

Originally Posted by tock172

Speed cameras are such a scam in my opinion. It was a relief when the government shutdown translated to them being turned off and eventually removed back when I lived in AZ.

Yeah I miss open and "unregulated" roads lol

Originally Posted by JimVonBaden

DC speed cameras can only fine you, and no points awarded. Basically pretty limited amounts too.

Might find out what the max amount is lol

Originally Posted by xQx

Ouch, I hope you got away with it.

The only 'hope' is the top of 3rd gear is only 100mph, and you tend to only be doing those speeds for a few seconds... so as long as you weren't right at the end of your run, it shouldn't be a loss of license event.

Also, I'm not sure how well speed cameras work when you're drastically changing speed - I thought if you were rapidly accelerating or rapidly breaking you'll trigger an 'errored / low quality reading' which (depending on how vicious your local law enforcement are) may result in them not trying to book you.

I'm 'lucky' enough to live in a jurisdiction where radar detectors are illegal and speed cameras are "anywhere, anytime". (They've subcontracted it out to civilians, so literally any parked car could be a camera) ... so you get to know rural 'B' roads in 100kph zones that don't get enough traffic to warrant police attention that are good for logging.

My advice (not that you asked for it): Do it in the middle of the day (less police, better visibility), and drive the road first, then do a U turn and do your run. Also, when you hit 4th, brake hard (don't just coast along at 100mph) to minimize your time over the limit.

(EDIT: obligatory. Don't break the law. Speed limits save lives. All logs should be done on private roads or the track. This is not legal advice. )

This is good to know haha and yeah I live where radar detectors are legal but they are illegal in VA and I go there so frequently that installing one would be more trouble than it's worth. They hunt for detectors more than people speeding these days.

Funny thing is, I was doing exactly as your advice states. Mid day, a road I've driven before, did a pass and then pulled a U turn and went up and down twice (once on the side with the camera). My only potential save is that the camera was on the road before even where I U-turned to do my pass, so hopefully I was out of range before I was doing any notable speed. I was also on a slight hill so potentially out of view? I guess we'll see!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Matticus91

What is this I don't even....

Either this... (fight the power)

[Esteban]

Or...

[desertman123]

We should set up a community fund pool for when any one of us gets a speeding ticket

[Gangplank]

Post up the picture when they send it to you. If it doesn't show you driving the car maybe go to court and challenge the ticket.

Innocent until proven guilty. So they have to prove you were driving, & speeding. Just sayn. Then again if it's just a few bucks, pay it. Not with the time & effort.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by Gangplank

Post up the picture when they send it to you. If it doesn't show you driving the car maybe go to court and challenge the ticket.

Innocent until proven guilty. So they have to prove you were driving, & speeding. Just sayn. Then again if it's just a few bucks, pay it. Not with the time & effort.

In DC/MD and VA they can only fine you for photo enforcement because it is impossible to positively place you personally at the scene without a cop attesting to it. This is the same as in court. If the cop didn't show the ticket is usually dropped for non-criminal charges. That is why no points, and no danger of arrest, assuming a cop didn't also stop you right after the photo camera took a shot.

[bagekko]

In Providence they have a ton of school zone cameras, big battle over them. I think I got a ticket in a dealer loaner in one zone. No school zone signs, warning sign of the speed camera was like 25ft before the box, and it was active on a non school day.

Fighting tickets can be a pain, last one took me 5 court appearances. It was 2nd ticket in 2 months, here after 3 in 12 months your license can be suspended.

If you belong to a work legal plan, you can get a free lawyer for ticket defense. At a minimum it ensures you get seen first in court and dont have to sit for hours.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Gangplank

Post up the picture when they send it to you. If it doesn't show you driving the car maybe go to court and challenge the ticket.

Innocent until proven guilty. So they have to prove you were driving, & speeding. Just sayn. Then again if it's just a few bucks, pay it. Not with the time & effort.

And the politicians have already thought of this situation. As Jim stated, the local municipalities can only fine you as the pictures many times can't positively ID you. But the verbiage of the law states the registered owner is responsible for the fine. If you weren't driving, then you spill the beans as to who was driving as you're also responsible for knowing who has possession of your vehicle.

Also fighting these automated speeding tickets is tougher because of another mechanism of measuring your speed. Many automated speed traps have lines marked on the pavement they are monitoring. In addition to the measured speed via radar, the system takes multiple pictures of your car. The pictures are used to set how fast you were moving between set markers on the pavement as another way for the reviewing officer to validate your speed.

They have this down and it's tough to get out of this type of speeding ticket. At least with Montgomery County, MD, they tell you a ticket will only be issued if you're 12MPH over the posted limit. And they did (not sure if they still do) post on a website where these fixed speed traps are. Plus the county is required by law to put up signs warning you that speeds along that stretch of road are electronically enforced. With all of that in place, again, it's tough to fight such a ticket. It's just better to pay the fine and move on with life. Or don't drive through that county.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

And the politicians have already thought of this situation. As Jim stated, the local municipalities can only fine you as the pictures many times can't positively ID you. But the verbiage of the law states the registered owner is responsible for the fine. If you weren't driving, then you spill the beans as to who was driving as you're also responsible for knowing who has possession of your vehicle.

Years ago when my son was underage he got a red light camera ticket. He thought it was yellow when he went through it, but the camera said otherwise. Like I said, he was underage at the time and the ticket came to my wife as she was the registered owner. The picture that came in the mail with the ticket was obviously of a male driver.

[iminhell1]

Do a 5th gear pull.
Don't be a pussy.

[Gangplank]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

And the politicians have already thought of this situation. As Jim stated, the local municipalities can only fine you as the pictures many times can't positively ID you. But the verbiage of the law states the registered owner is responsible for the fine. If you weren't driving, then you spill the beans as to who was driving as you're also responsible for knowing who has possession of your vehicle.

Also fighting these automated speeding tickets is tougher because of another mechanism of measuring your speed. Many automated speed traps have lines marked on the pavement they are monitoring. In addition to the measured speed via radar, the system takes multiple pictures of your car. The pictures are used to set how fast you were moving between set markers on the pavement as another way for the reviewing officer to validate your speed.

They have this down and it's tough to get out of this type of speeding ticket. At least with Montgomery County, MD, they tell you a ticket will only be issued if you're 12MPH over the posted limit. And they did (not sure if they still do) post on a website where these fixed speed traps are. Plus the county is required by law to put up signs warning you that speeds along that stretch of road are electronically enforced. With all of that in place, again, it's tough to fight such a ticket. It's just better to pay the fine and move on with life. Or don't drive through that county.

The burden of proof is on then to prove that you were driving the vehicle at the time. If they have a picture, fine, but make them prove it or pay it.

[The Wind Breezes]

Not a big deal. You only revved out 3rd gear. They get people going way faster than that all the time trust me. If the fine only thing is true that's just the icing on the cake.

Originally Posted by Gangplank

The burden of proof is on then to prove that you were driving the vehicle at the time. If they have a picture, fine, but make them prove it or pay it.

Except that's not how it works, although it should be. Even for major offenses like running from the cops, if it's your car they will assume it's you driving unless someone else fesses up. For minor stuff like traffic camera fines there is basically no justice or recourse at all.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by The Wind Breezes

Except that's not how it works, although it should be. Even for major offenses like running from the cops, if it's your car they will assume it's you driving unless someone else fesses up. For minor stuff like traffic camera fines there is basically no justice or recourse at all.

Yup, that is how it works.