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Well in malaysia ppl will start bashing over how expensive d car is.. Bla bla. U wont ever see a comment tat is positive..
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07-17-2012, 01:47 AM | #47 | |
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And I'm getting bored of the argument that the car engine is the sole reason for a car to be expensive it's called a luxury car for a reason. First people cry at BMW for adding ///M badge on everything then they cry about the price for the top of the line car being expensive. ![]() |
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07-17-2012, 06:18 AM | #48 | |
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07-17-2012, 10:46 AM | #53 |
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I think quite a few of you have misunderstood what BMWs intentions seem to be with the entire 6 series line. The 6 series has been moved up in class. Although the GC may indirectly compete with the CLS and A7 it's main focus is and will be the Panamera. Check the numbers and check the stats, (that are available) and you will see that BMW is aimed squarely at Porsche on this one. The GC will be like that of the Panamera, if you can't afford it keep it moving...
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07-17-2012, 10:53 AM | #54 | ||
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Why would spending "that much money" on a Porsche be a better spend than on a BMW ? In fact, I'd rather spend that much money on a BMW rather than a Porsche especially in the case of the GC vs Panamera. That however, is my personal taste. Quote:
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The R8 has been out for years now- the GT for at least a year- so yes, one would expect quite a few used examples and new to be up for sale. But the M6 vert has been on sale here for 3 WEEKS! yet there are more than plenty available. PROBABLY NOT A GOOD SIGN. Again, I think it is an awesome car. Just saying I don't think the American consumer considers BMW in the same class as Porsche so this could be a problem. Now China- that's a whole other story and clearly Munich does not have to worry about US sales as much due to growth in other markets. Put down the cool-aid Judah. I like BMW as much as anyone else on this forum- I just question the wisdom of it's price point....... |
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07-17-2012, 11:25 AM | #56 | |
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Whether you want to admit it or not, the CLS, A7, and 6 GC are just sedans underneath with much better looking exteriors and interiors. With this in mind, the fact that the 640i costs more than a CLS550 and Panamera V6 is ridiculous. I think the 6-series and 6-series GC are BMW's best looking cars as well, but well equipped versions push $95,000-$100,000, and frankly, I don't think they're worth it. |
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07-17-2012, 01:18 PM | #57 | |
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I disagree with your CLS/E-class argument. The 6GC is sig more expensive to build than a F10. In fact, it is more expensive to build than a 6er coupe. Think of it as a f13 with 2 extra "couple-style" doors. The minimalized B-pillar, the frameless windows, the integrated seatbelt, independent front seats - that stuff ain't cheap. The CLS/ A7 are simply "fastback" sedans (as opposed to "notchback" sedans) - 4 door sedans with a sloped greenhouse. Not very much different than a jaguar XF. The 6GC is really more 6 than it is 5. Ppl here can't wrap their heads around the pricing and keep referencing the shared engine/tranny - but every car in the entire lineup has the same engine/tranny from 1er to 7er.
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How about you read better before you reply post. I did not mention "USED" R8's, GT or otherwise. The vehicles I referred to are all new as can be seen on cars.com. Also note I wrote, "a number of high end manufacturers". I used the Audi R8 as an example because it was reported as being "Sold Out", is that a sore spot for you ? Currently, alot of high end new cars are sitting on the floor unsold due to a poor almost worldwide economy the fact that they've just been introduced to the market or have been here for 2+ years doesn't matter. Now here in the US by me, the three closest dealers have sold their M6 convertibles before they hit the floor. I think you are making quite a few incorrect assumptions about American consumers as I am one and do NOT agree with your beliefs about American consumers.... What the hell are you talking about Kool Aid,(with a K not a C) for, grow up and use grown up words to convey.... Do you even know what you are saying when you write that ? Do you know the history of that statement ? |
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07-17-2012, 04:56 PM | #59 | |
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6-series Coupe interior: ![]() 6-series Gran Coupe interior: ![]() E-class Sedan interior: ![]() CLS-class Coupe interior: ![]() |
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07-17-2012, 07:16 PM | #60 | |
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So the 6er GC is based on a 6er coupe, which is in a different class than a 5 series. The CLS is in a league of its own, but it's based on a lower model than the 6er GC. It is true that nothing in the CLS remotely resembles an E-Class, however it is also true that nothing in a 6er GC (or 6er Coupe for that matter) resembles a 5-Series. That's the real comparison I would suggest to consider if going this route. I agree with all those who say the 6er GC is aiming for the Panamera rather than the CLS or A7. Whether it hits that mark, is a whole different topic. In this case, it is the M6 GC vs. Panamera Turbo or Turbo S, I would suppose. |
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I don't see what makes the 6 GC so much better than a CLS or A7. |
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07-17-2012, 10:24 PM | #62 | |
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I own 2 Benzes - an 09 SLK300 and a '12 GL550. I can honestly say the tech is outdated in MB vs BMW. The 6er interior is one of the most beautiful interiors of any car available today. The CLS is not up to par tech-wise or interior-wise, in my humble opinion. I don't even consider the A7 because, again in my opinion having shopped Audis before buying an X6 and then a GL550, Audi interiors feel cheap in comparison to both MB and BMW in similar level cars. If you have sat inside or have driven a Panamera, the interior is top-notch, and the 6er GC is similar in luxury (and above in tech) to a Panamera. They also have similar pricing. I really think in terms of theses factors, that the 6er GC and Panamera are both in a class above the CLS and A7. |
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6 series is a higher class than the CLS or A7 class so that's why the 6GC is in a higher class than the CLS and A7 because it's based on it and not based on the 5 series unlike the other 2 which are based on lower class. In order for MB and Audi to compete with the 6 GC they need to introduce a new segment. You need to stop looking at the GC as another 4 door-coupe car just like the CLS/A7 because they share some design elements just like you wouldn't compare a 6er with a CL just because they are 2+2 luxury coupes. |
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Everything you guys have mentioned here is correct. All the comparisons and data.
But here's the most important fact and the most realistic fact (lol). Anyone (or most people) with $100,000 to blow on an automobile will probably not be looking at BMW. The customer doesn't care how difficult the car is to build or the amount of luxury it offers. Will you spend $60,000 on a fully-fully loaded Acura RL? i dont think so, no matter how much features and luxury Acura adds to it, no one is thinking "Acura" when they have $60,000 to blow.
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