What is the most reliable year for the 2013-2018 650i?

[Cryptikz]

Hi, question in the title.

I'm looking to buy a 650i but I'm curious if there is any more reliability that comes with the 2016 facelift, or if that is just a cosmetic update really.

I'm fairly sure it's the same engine for all of those years, but I heard newer ones would have more reliability...Would a 2016 be more reliable than aa 2014?

I crashed my 335i and it might be totalled so looking to upgrade lol

[Highline-Autos.com]

Low mileage with lots of maintenance will be your best bet for vehicle longevity and lack of issues. My contact information is below if you want to explore extended warranty options as well, for that added peace of mind. Our extended warranty providers Fidelity and Freedom Warranty are accepted for repairs at all BMW dealerships and licensed repair facilities in the US/Canada.

Good luck!

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by Highline-Autos.com

Low mileage with lots of maintenance will be your best bet for vehicle longevity and lack of issues. My contact information is below if you want to explore extended warranty options as well, for that added peace of mind. Our extended warranty providers Fidelity and Freedom Warranty are accepted for repairs at all BMW dealerships and licensed repair facilities in the US/Canada.

Good luck!

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

Thank you for that! Definitely makes sense

But specifically, are there any general reliability improvements from 2014 to 2016? Or only cosmetic? I can find both very low miles, just deciding if I like the facelift look or not.

I kind of like the 2014 look but I don't want it if it comes with problems.

Thanks again

[Cryptikz]

Here is a car I'm looking at...
2016 650i xDrive, wide bodied, tuned..
Only 27,000 miles and was supposedly a show car that was well maintained...

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...icle/693458660

Thoughts? I'm going to go look at it

I can't find anything with low miles at a good price..might as well get the wide bodied one then..? Right?!

[TGrits10]

If you're concerned about reliability, then for the love and sake of all the gods and Petes out there DO NOT buy a car that's been owned by someone who would heavily mod (and then promptly sell) a low-mileage example. Especially a matte-wrapped all-black example (It's been filmed doing donuts for social media, 100% guaranteed). Especially not one that gives almost no information at all on the modifications and tuning. Especially not one that has to admit the douchetastic matte wrap is in worse condition than the photos convey. How many red flags do you need? Like mid-80's Nancy Reagan, Just Say No.

[Qsilver7]

Originally Posted by Cryptikz

What is the most reliable year for the 2013-2018 650i?

I'm looking to buy a 650i but I'm curious if there is any more reliability that comes with the 2016 facelift, or if that is just a cosmetic update really.

I'm fairly sure it's the same engine for all of those years, but I heard newer ones would have more reliability...Would a 2016 be more reliable than aa 2014?

I crashed my 335i and it might be totalled so looking to upgrade lol

The 650i from 2013-2018 is the same engine. It’s cosmetics and option upgrades that make them slightly “different” and may be of interest of which ones to look at.

In the US market, the 2016 model year is the LCI (facelift)…so if the position of the front turn indicators and side indicators and 9 slat kidney grilles are your preference, then look for 2016-2018. But do know that the LCI 9 slat kidney grilles will fit in the pre LCI.

The 2013 650i will have the oldest CIC iDrive version…which has a lower resolution than the NBT version. The 2014-up will have the higher resolution NBT-4/NBT-5/NBT-6 versions of iDrive respectively.

The Collision assist option also got upgraded around the 2014-2015 model year…as city braking mitigation was added…the 2013 model year doesn’t have the same brake mitigation at low speeds…the best way to find out if you have it is to look for the explanation in the embedded iDrive owners manual since it contains VIN specific info.

The 2015 650i got the 6WB (all digital) instrument cluster as standard equipment plus the iDrive controller was updated to the larger dial and the touch feature was also optional (you can write on the iDrive controller with your finger) instead of having to turn & press the iDrive controller to make selections.

The 2016 MY was again, the facelift and the front turn indicators moved from below the headlight to the eyebrow area above the headlights…and the side indicators moved from the chrome insert on the front fender to the side mirrors. So if you don’t have the parking assist option (the sensors are also in the chrome insert in the front fender), then there's nothing in those chrome inserts.

The 2016-up also got a weird interior change where if you have the perforated front seats due to the ventilated seat option, the rear seats did not get the perforations and are smooth. I believe only the M6 continued to get perforated rear seats if so optioned.

The above are just some of the things off the top of my head..if others remember more things…please add or correct.

Below are some examples of cosmetic differences & engine info:

1. Pre facelift (my 2013 650ix GC) w/9 slat facelift grills
2. N63B4401 (N63TU) engine was used from 2013-2019 F06/F12/F13 Model Years
3. N63TU changes from the previous N63 engine
4 & 5. 2013-2014 iDrive controller knob (small)
6 & 7. 2015-up iDrive controller knob (larger + optional “touch-pad”)
8. 2013/2014 M-sport steering wheel
9. 2015-up M-sport steering wheel
10. 2015-up 6WB all digital cluster (all blank display when off)
11. 2015-up 6WB cluster’s 3 difffernt display modes (Comfort/Sport/Eco-Pro)

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by TGrits10

If you're concerned about reliability, then for the love and sake of all the gods and Petes out there DO NOT buy a car that's been owned by someone who would heavily mod (and then promptly sell) a low-mileage example. Especially a matte-wrapped all-black example (It's been filmed doing donuts for social media, 100% guaranteed). Especially not one that gives almost no information at all on the modifications and tuning. Especially not one that has to admit the douchetastic matte wrap is in worse condition than the photos convey. How many red flags do you need? Like mid-80's Nancy Reagan, Just Say No.

You are assuming a lot of things

The car was built when it had 0 miles by a professional car building group, used as advertisement and sold at auction

The next buyer has 4 vehicles and just no longer has the time to use the car, the stories check out

It is not unprofessionally worked on, and you calling it a "douchetastic wrap" is more telling of your character than the reliability of the car...

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by Qsilver7

The 650i from 2013-2018 is the same engine. It’s cosmetics and option upgrades that make them slightly “different” and may be of interest of which ones to look at.

In the US market, the 2016 model year is the LCI (facelift)…so if the position of the front turn indicators and side indicators and 9 slat kidney grilles are your preference, then look for 2016-2018. But do know that the LCI 9 slat kidney grilles will fit in the pre LCI.

The 2013 650i will have the oldest CIC iDrive version…which has a lower resolution than the NBT version. The 2014-up will have the higher resolution NBT-4/NBT-5/NBT-6 versions of iDrive respectively.

The Collision assist option also got upgraded around the 2014-2015 model year…as city braking mitigation was added…the 2013 model year doesn’t have the same brake mitigation at low speeds…the best way to find out if you have it is to look for the explanation in the embedded iDrive owners manual since it contains VIN specific info.

The 2015 650i got the 6WB (all digital) instrument cluster as standard equipment plus the iDrive controller was updated to the larger dial and the touch feature was also optional (you can write on the iDrive controller with your finger) instead of having to turn & press the iDrive controller to make selections.

The 2016 MY was again, the facelift and the front turn indicators moved from below the headlight to the eyebrow area above the headlights…and the side indicators moved from the chrome insert on the front fender to the side mirrors. So if you don’t have the parking assist option (the sensors are also in the chrome insert in the front fender), the there nothing in those chrome inserts.

The 2016-up also got a weird interior change where if you have the perforated front seats due to the ventilated seat option, the rear seats did not get the perforations and are smooth. I believe only the M6 continued to get perforated rear seats if so optioned.

The above are just some of the things off the top of my head..if others remember more things…please add or correct.

Below are some examples of cosmetic differences & engine info:

1. Pre facelift (my 2013 650ix GC) w/9 slat facelift grills
2. N63B4401 (N63TU) engine was used from 2013-2019 F06/F12/F13 Model Years
3. N63TU changes from the previous N63 engine
4 & 5. 2013-2014 iDrive controller knob (small)
6 & 7. 2015-up iDrive controller knob (larger + optional “touch-pad”)
8. 2013/2014 M-sport steering wheel
9. 2015-up M-sport steering wheel
10. 2015-up 6WB all digital cluster (all blank display when off)
11. 2015-up 6WB cluster’s 3 difffernt display modes (Comfort/Sport/Eco-Pro)

Thank you so much! This is all very valuable information!

[TGrits10]

Originally Posted by Cryptikz

You are assuming a lot of things

The car was built when it had 0 miles by a professional car building group, used as advertisement and sold at auction

The next buyer has 4 vehicles and just no longer has the time to use the car, the stories check out

It is not unprofessionally worked on, and you calling it a "douchetastic wrap" is more telling of your character than the reliability of the car...

Your bristling at my negative opinion of those who elect to apply matte black wraps and widebody kits is telling of your taste and priorities, but says nothing of your character (or mine).

[Highline-Autos.com]

It could have been said a little better, but I agree with TGrits10 ... Buying someone else's project is almost never a good idea, especially if priority #1 is reliability.

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

[JBF650]

Originally Posted by Highline-Autos.com

It could have been said a little better, but I agree with TGrits10 ... Buying someone else's project is almost never a good idea, especially if priority #1 is reliability.

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

It actually made me laugh out loud. I totally agree with Tgrits original assessment , if that's not what the guy wants to hear then don't ask for members advice. While Tgrits' 'assumption' of course... it's more likely right than wrong. It would be very unusual that a highly modified 650 has had a pampered and cosseted life. If this guy wants to buy some elses matte wrapped project triple chipped nightmare then 'caveat emptor....' you have been warned.Cryptikz.... your pejorative if you wish to take sensible advice.

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by Cryptikz

You are assuming a lot of things

The car was built when it had 0 miles by a professional car building group, used as advertisement and sold at auction

The next buyer has 4 vehicles and just no longer has the time to use the car, the stories check out

It is not unprofessionally worked on, and you calling it a "douchetastic wrap" is more telling of your character than the reliability of the car...

Well, he made some valid points without these info you just provided.... Attacking his character based on his comments make you no different than what you are trying say about him, lol

[thebmw]

I'm going to take a wild guess based on the language and experience and style of conversation and say that Tgrits10 is a Gen X and Cryptitz is a Gen Z. This is no comment or reflection on character.

BTW, Tgrits10 is correct that almost every single ultra modded and wrapped car was hooligan-ed and abused and not properly taken care of. But there are very few exceptions and perhaps you found the diamond in the rough.

[FlyinLowSD]

Q, if I send you a massive USB stick, will you copy your phenomenal library to me?

Edit: As a safeguard, that is. To protect the fund.

[Qsilver7]

^^^ LOL ^^^

[Chaos236]

Douchetastic. May be an upgrade from F@ck Stick ! The phrase reserved for the truly special.

[TGrits10]

Originally Posted by Highline-Autos.com

It could have been said a little better

The hazards of posting late in the evening, after drinks

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by JBF650

It actually made me laugh out loud. I totally agree with Tgrits original assessment , if that's not what the guy wants to hear then don't ask for members advice. While Tgrits' 'assumption' of course... it's more likely right than wrong. It would be very unusual that a highly modified 650 has had a pampered and cosseted life. If this guy wants to buy some elses matte wrapped project triple chipped nightmare then 'caveat emptor....' you have been warned.Cryptikz.... your pejorative if you wish to take sensible advice.

The point was I wasn't asking about exterior...purely mileage and the differences in the years of the cars. Just because your opinion of the wrap means the previous owner was a douche, does that mean I'm a bad driver if I'm Asian? Have you seen fast and furious? 🤣🤣

I met him and he was very pleasant and owns many cars, this one sat and was only ever driven in NYC traffic. Hell, sport mode was disabled in the car because of the coilovers, so it could never be pushed to it's limits truly

How would it be unusual a show car was pampered? Isn't that the point of it being a show car? The low miles proves the point, the original owner built cars like that and brought them to contests, it's had no engine issues and I got all maintenance reports

I bought the car and it's great 🤣

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

Well, he made some valid points without these info you just provided.... Attacking his character based on his comments make you no different than what you are trying say about him, lol

How am I attacking his character? I don't see how a wrap makes you douchetastic...the shop that did the body work confirms it was barely driven and not pushed it has an exhaust for sound and a widebody for look...I had a tuned car for years before this with no problems because I can maintain my cars. Theres no content of this car online either I'd love to see it if you find it, but it was purely a judged show car...and every car show I go to has wrapped cars everywhere, I guess we're all douches 🤣🤣 never heard of that before..

[Cryptikz]

Douchemobile arrived 😎💀

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by Highline-Autos.com

Low mileage with lots of maintenance will be your best bet for vehicle longevity and lack of issues. My contact information is below if you want to explore extended warranty options as well, for that added peace of mind. Our extended warranty providers Fidelity and Freedom Warranty are accepted for repairs at all BMW dealerships and licensed repair facilities in the US/Canada.

Good luck!

Trenton O. Gibson
tgibson@highline-autos.com
Highline Autos
Direct: 602.909.9216
Office: 480.348.0777

Thanks again for the luck, because I think low mileage and lots of maintenance was exactly what I got!!

[Cryptikz]

Originally Posted by thebmw

I'm going to take a wild guess based on the language and experience and style of conversation and say that Tgrits10 is a Gen X and Cryptitz is a Gen Z. This is no comment or reflection on character.

BTW, Tgrits10 is correct that almost every single ultra modded and wrapped car was hooligan-ed and abused and not properly taken care of. But there are very few exceptions and perhaps you found the diamond in the rough.

I diamond in the rough it is! Probably has more maintenance reports than any other car I've bought. Obviously I wouldn't get a car that's not properly maintained, but just because it has a wide body could mean many things...it was barely driven and owned in NYC where you can't even go 100ft without needing to stop 🤣

Really excited to rewrap it and get new wheels