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Another quick vid of a cement firm that was patting itself on the back on being the first firm to make a cement delivery with an EV cement truck until this happened,,
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      12-04-2023, 05:32 AM   #5084
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I did but thanks for reminding me. Interesting read got me to look up what the current CAFE standards are.

Here is the NHTSA Cafe standards to 2026. Life is too short to read this but to summarize:
They chose alternative 2.5 (because they say we can afford it)
Alt 2.5 will add at least $1000.00 minimum to the price of a new car per year.
Here is the CAFE standards for passenger cars
2024 55.44MPG
2025 60.26MPG
2026 66.95MPG
Here is the CAFE standards for Light Trucks
2024 44.48MPG
2025 48.35MPG
2026 53.73MPG
This can be found here Tables IV-14 IV-15
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...2022-07200.pdf

This will force automotive companies to continue to build EV's to meet their CAFE standards. I feel the need to slap a politician of the green grift variety
Yes we will be forced to buy hybrids or EV's so that the connected elites can jet off to some exotic local on their private Jets to lecture us on how we have to save the planet by drive cars we hate.
When these hypocrits stop flying around in their private jets, cruising in their megayachts and living in mansions I will consider a hybrid vehicle. Until then they can screw off.
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...and the cement solidified from the heat in the trailer _ Ough !
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400 Ford Dealerships Pump the Brakes on Stocking EVs
Will it cost dealerships a bit extra to prepare to sell EVs? Absolutely. Getting to the highest “Model e Certified” level could set you back over $1 million.



Interesting candid discussion of the realities of selling EV's
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      12-04-2023, 09:10 PM   #5089
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Just obey? Uncle Tony has more to say, this is just the beginning of the fight back.
I mean he's right but feck driving a 25 year old jeep.
This big ol rock is only gonna last so long. let's have some fun with it.
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      12-05-2023, 05:18 AM   #5090
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I mean he's right but feck driving a 25 year old jeep.
This big ol rock is only gonna last so long. let's have some fun with it.
I've driven the previous model of this in Poland over normal roads and rough stuff, it's capable and far easier to service and repair than the modern complex ones which is what you want.
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Time to pull the plug on EV's mister.
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      12-05-2023, 09:38 AM   #5092
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400 Ford Dealerships Pump the Brakes on Stocking EVs
Will it cost dealerships a bit extra to prepare to sell EVs? Absolutely. Getting to the highest “Model e Certified” level could set you back over $1 million.



Interesting candid discussion of the realities of selling EV's
All these Youtube idiots, so much misinformation. These dealers are not pulling away from selling EV, they are pulling out of a total tear up and rebuild of the dealership that would infrastructure and floor plan with an EV focus. You can still walk in and buy an EV.
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Time to pull the plug on EV's mister.
This is the most American thing I have ever seen.
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      12-05-2023, 12:33 PM   #5094
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This is the most American thing I have ever seen.
All we need is the same message going over here to a certain mr S who's in cloud cuckoo land adding to the country's massive debt.
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Time to pull the plug on EV's mister.
Let's hope , Sleepy Bernie wakes up on time !
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      12-05-2023, 02:17 PM   #5096
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I think a lot of the opposition to EV's is conservative BS that can easily be overcome or has been overblown to serve a political purpose.
I took a pass on calling out this pile of liberal bull crap but now it's time for you to put up or shut up.

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All these Youtube idiots, so much misinformation.
Please enlighten us what is "misinformation" in that video. Since I'm in a good mood today I will warn you that there are several print articles with the same information available. So knock yourself out.
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Why are there so many youtube videos posted in this thread? Is that really where ya'll are getting your news these days? Biased dudes behind a camera who spin every little piece of information into clickbait?

EV's are fine. Chances are good the mandates will be pushed back or modified in some way, just like so many things in government. They set their sights high, and will end up settling for something less. Par for the course. I'd like to see something like 25% EV, 50% plug in, 25% ICE production targets for manufacturers, with exceptions or ways around it for certain manufacturers.

I have an EV and 2 ICE vehicles, and love our EV. As a commuter to sit in stop and go traffic, it's absolutely spectacular, and it's not even a good car at the end of the day, it's just that the drivetrain is so perfectly suited for stop and go traffic. I charge at home or at work (for free). If I'm going somewhere more than 200 miles where I might need to recharge, I just take the ICE instead.

Do I want all cars to be EV? Nah. But the anti-EV sentiment turns it into a black and white issue, and it's definitely not. Would be a whole lot more productive if we could all work together to determine where EV makes sense, and where it doesn't.
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Please enlighten us what is "misinformation" in that video. Since I'm in a good mood today I will warn you that there are several print articles with the same information available. So knock yourself out.
I literally did in my reply that you quoted. Most of those dealers are still selling EV's, he says they are not.
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i really don't understand what is being argued in this thread anymore. i think both things have a purpose. alas in policitics and society everything is generalites and exteremism which is a means to tuirn us againist each other
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I literally did in my reply that you quoted. Most of those dealers are still selling EV's, he says they are not.

You offered no empirical data. Just emotion. I realize that to a certain group of people, fairy farts and good feelings are all you need but being a conservative I want facts.

According to the AN report, nearly 400 dealers have dropped out of Ford’s EV sales program since December.
It also cut one of three shifts at its EV plant in Michigan, where the F-150 Lightning is built. CFO John Lawler added the company has “taken out some Mustang Mach-E production” last month. He explained, “We are also slowing down several investments, including making a decision with SK On to delay the second BlueOval SK JV battery plant in Kentucky.”
Ford loses nearly 400 participants from its EV dealer program
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Why are there so many youtube videos posted in this thread? Is that really where ya'll are getting your news these days? Biased dudes behind a camera who spin every little piece of information into clickbait?

EV's are fine. Chances are good the mandates will be pushed back or modified in some way, just like so many things in government. They set their sights high, and will end up settling for something less. Par for the course. I'd like to see something like 25% EV, 50% plug in, 25% ICE production targets for manufacturers, with exceptions or ways around it for certain manufacturers.

I have an EV and 2 ICE vehicles, and love our EV. As a commuter to sit in stop and go traffic, it's absolutely spectacular, and it's not even a good car at the end of the day, it's just that the drivetrain is so perfectly suited for stop and go traffic. I charge at home or at work (for free). If I'm going somewhere more than 200 miles where I might need to recharge, I just take the ICE instead.

Do I want all cars to be EV? Nah. But the anti-EV sentiment turns it into a black and white issue, and it's definitely not. Would be a whole lot more productive if we could all work together to determine where EV makes sense, and where it doesn't.



the sheep that lap up all these anti-EV videos that are most likely bought and paid for by big oil who spends millions every year on misinformation campaigns and lobbying ....it obviously works on some of them...it is a circle jerk of stupidity






non-stop youtube videos of morons with agendas somehow has them all convinced EV's are the devil
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You offered no empirical data. Just emotion. I realize that to a certain group of people, fairy farts and good feelings are all you need but being a conservative I want facts.

According to the AN report, nearly 400 dealers have dropped out of Ford’s EV sales program since December.
It also cut one of three shifts at its EV plant in Michigan, where the F-150 Lightning is built. CFO John Lawler added the company has “taken out some Mustang Mach-E production” last month. He explained, “We are also slowing down several investments, including making a decision with SK On to delay the second BlueOval SK JV battery plant in Kentucky.”
Ford loses nearly 400 participants from its EV dealer program
YOu're not listening. Like at all. Those dealers have pulled out of the program, yes, but youtube guy said they are pulling out of selling EV, that is NOT true. Like at all. Am I clear?

And I vote to the right BTW, I'm also very bearish on EV, I have said that many times. Not everything is liberal or conservative and black and white. You can just call BS when you see it and not wedge yourself on some sort of compulsory side of the fence stance on every issue. I still say we hit 30pc market share then hit a wall but the youtube bros are embarrassing.
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YOu're not listening. Like at all. Those dealers have pulled out of the program, yes, but youtube guy said they are pulling out of selling EV, that is NOT true. Like at all. Am I clear?
And your proof of this is? Am I clear?
The article I posted is from Electrek do you think they would print a negative EV article if it wasn't factual?

Why in the world would a car dealer make a $500,000 to $1,000,000 investment if their local market has no interest in EV's? ROI, It's called capitalism.
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Let's hope , Sleepy Bernie wakes up on time !
He'll come round EVentually when ppl start shouting how their txes are being wasted on a dead turkey.
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