F1 2021: Hungarian GP - Budapest (Aug 1)

[AmuroRay]

So do M5 and Kill by Death just think Hamilton is all luck and a car?

[chuckthis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You obviously haven't seen or ignored my posts on Merc having 4-5 year advantage with hybrid engine.
Didn't you see my posts of Montezemolo,Ferrari President then saying Lauda told him Merc were BUILDING V6 hybrid in 2007 and Lauda didn't deny saying that when he was still living.

lol yeah, they were developing the S400 hybrid.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

again, what is your point?
Merc plans ahead and RB doesn't.
= Merc is successful and RB hasn't been

Read my lips...''by having years of already built hybrid advantage before anyone else'', is it that difficult to understand.

[Steeler]

You'll have to excuse my "friend" he's a little slow.
Isn't it business 101 to be ahead of your competition. ie development, strategy etc????



Merc are always thinking 5 steps ahead while RBR and their followers are still whinging about something that happened 2 races ago

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by dbarton62

You'll have to excuse my "friend" he's a little slow.
Isn't it business 101 to be ahead of your competition. ie development, strategy etc????



Merc are always thinking 5 steps ahead while RBR and their followers are still whinging about something that happened 2 races ago

I think my favorite still is and always will be how "the FIA is in Merc's pocket" but for some reason they made rule changes this year that pretty much targeted and punished Merc's entire aero concept and gave RBR a fighting chance to finally win.

[tdott]

So LEC needs a new engine.

Should Ferrari be suing Daddy Stroll for all the costs to repair the engine?

That's Red Bull logic for you. Let's hear the drama queen's rationale.

[chuckthis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Read my lips...''by having years of already built hybrid advantage before anyone else'', is it that difficult to understand.

With that logic, Honda should be much farther along than they are. Didn't they build hybrid cars back in 2000 and develop those in the 90s?

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

More hearsay and idle speculation, but what's your point???

Pay no attention to him...that load of bollocks was exposed as total nonsense ages ago.
A 4-5 year advantage
How gullible do you have to be to believe that garbage.

See this link for the regs released by the FIA in Dec 2010 for a 4 cylinder engine format for the 2013 season...giving all teams the same heads up.
https://www.racefans.net/2010/12/10/...ines-for-2013/

[M5Rick]

^ You need to edit yourself a thousand times over for all the bullshit you come up with.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

So do M5 and Kill by Death just think Hamilton is all luck and a car?

Speaking for myself Absolutely Not!!! Yes, I've said it's the car just to poke the bear. It's the TEAM is more accurate which includes HAM. Who I've also said is one of the best ever. There are no absolutes in F1 no matter how good you are!!!

I'm a Ferrari fan so no, HAM isn't one of my favorite drivers. Plus MB is one of my least favorite brands. But, If he lost his mind and suddenly switched to Ferrari I'd become an INSTANT HAM fan.

After retirement I'd love to see him do something like "The 24 Hours of Le Mans" so I'd have a chance to pull for him.

One can highly respect his skill yet still bang on him without being a fan. Two different things

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Speaking for myself Absolutely Not!!! Yes, I've said it's the car just to poke the bear. It's the TEAM is more accurate which includes HAM. Who I've also said is one of the best ever. There are no absolutes in F1 no matter how good you are!!!

I'm a Ferrari fan so no, HAM isn't one of my favorite drivers. Plus MB is one of my my least favorite brands. But, If he lost his mind and suddenly switched to Ferrari I'd become and INSTANT HAM fan.

After retirement I'd love to see him do something like "The 24 Hours of Le Mans" so I'd have a chance to pull for him.

One can highly respect his skill yet still bang on him without being a fan. Two different things

Now if all fans had this level of intelligence we'd all get along nicely.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Speaking for myself Absolutely Not!!! Yes, I've said it's the car just to poke the bear. It's the TEAM is more accurate which includes HAM. Who I've also said is one of the best ever. There are no absolutes in F1 no matter how good you are!!!

I'm a Ferrari fan so no, HAM isn't one of my favorite drivers. Plus MB is one of my my least favorite brands. But, If he lost his mind and suddenly switched to Ferrari I'd become and INSTANT HAM fan.

After retirement I'd love to see him do something like "The 24 Hours of Le Mans" so I'd have a chance to pull for him.

One can highly respect his skill yet still bang on him without being a fan. Two different things

Same. If only Leclerc wasn't hampered by shit luck and Ferrari had some thing close during their winning days. LEC and SAI could be a pretty good duo - maybe not exactly WDC material but at least in the discussion of WCC for Ferrari.

But anyone who doesn't see what HAM and Mercedes are doing is either blind or straight up hating. I'm not a Mercedes fan but I understand and acknowledge the success they're having and the difficulty of it all. I don't like the Patriots and Tom Brady but what they did and what Brady is still doing is pretty much once-lifetime, likely never to be seen again.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by tdott

Now if all fans had this level of intelligence we'd all get along nicely.

That might be giving me too much credit

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

That might be giving me too much credit

Agreed

You stole Sainz from me and Ill never forgive you guys

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Agreed

You stole Sainz from me and Ill never forgive you guys

I agree... the best replacement for me personally is what happened, although I am bummed to admit I had much higher hopes for Ric by now. I have NOT lost faith though, he tends to take a bit to get his sea legs when switching ships.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

To be honest personally IDK...The listed article made it sound like it was

The real question is if it's legal why isn't RB and everyone else doing it?

The same reason that DAS and 100 other items which were innovated in F1. This is not unique. There is a process. If it's on the car in a race, it's been approved by the FIA. If the innovation is on the car and beyond the understanding of other teams...it probably will be used until protested.

If the protest is successful, the part will be removed. If the protest is unsuccessful, status quo resumes.

I'm guessing these are the bulges we see on either side of the engine cover.

More Mercedes innovation. They do this rather than bellyache, b1tc4 and moan or make up BS about other teams and drivers. This is why they are 7X WCC and WDC champions.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

You better read your source again...
It's RB that have been cheating.
Mystery solved where RB's new found power came from

I submit that the Honda engine has been illegal since the last race of the 2020 season. They have managed to add extensive torque mapping especially from the standing start and other low-speed situations...especially from corners. This explains the crazy acceleration from start in the wet races this season.

The Race did a deep dive into the Honda power unit earlier this season. I'll see if I can find it.

Cheers-mk

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I submit that the Honda engine has been illegal since the last race of the 2020 season. They have managed to add extensive torque mapping especially from the standing start and other low-speed situations...especially from corners. This explains the crazy acceleration from start in the wet races this season.

The Race did a deep dive into the Honda power unit earlier this season. I'll see if I can find it.

Cheers-mk

Your imagination is running away with you in spite of you it putting on in a businesslike way that impresses the youngsters; Programs and mappings are strictly controlled and there is no escape for anyone moving away from what is on the table.

[Killed by Death]

Kinda? But it's the 3 week break

[chuckthis]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I submit that the Honda engine has been illegal since the last race of the 2020 season. They have managed to add extensive torque mapping especially from the standing start and other low-speed situations...especially from corners. This explains the crazy acceleration from start in the wet races this season.

The Race did a deep dive into the Honda power unit earlier this season. I'll see if I can find it.

Cheers-mk

Engine modes are still locked for the ICE, the battery power is the only component that is not as defined as the ICE tuning. Is that what you're referring to in the torque mapping?

[chuckthis]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

The same reason that DAS and 100 other items which were innovated in F1. This is not unique. There is a process. If it's on the car in a race, it's been approved by the FIA. If the innovation is on the car and beyond the understanding of other teams...it probably will be used until protested.

If the protest is successful, the part will be removed. If the protest is unsuccessful, status quo resumes.

I'm guessing these are the bulges we see on either side of the engine cover.

More Mercedes innovation. They do this rather than bellyache, b1tc4 and moan or make up BS about other teams and drivers. This is why they are 7X WCC and WDC champions.

Improvements to the engine package can only be done to improve reliability and the additional bulges are likely improved cooling. Any update mid-season must be approved by the other teams and FIA. Full tech data must be provided for any change.

Power delivery for the hybrid system as I mentioned, is the only likely candidate since that is less regulated.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Your imagination is running away with you in spite of you it putting on in a businesslike way that impresses the youngsters; Programs and mappings are strictly controlled and there is no escape for anyone moving away from what is on the table.

Imagination? No...I read it from a pretty serious F1 publication. Imagination is more your purview. Examples: Max is the best F1 driver. Mercedes has been cheating. It's the car. (Only true for Max based on data...yes, data.) I could go on and on.