Bootmod3 license for N63TU - what should I expect to pay/how to get the best deal?

FSociety · 11-04-2018, 03:42 PM

-$595 price is for single DME cars (if you get one used for $400-450 you would still have to pay a $300 upgrade fee)
-$895 price is for dual DME cars (N63tu & S63tu) "If you get this one new or used no upgrade fee"

I like to buy new because it allows me to use it in my current vehicle and transfer to my next supporting one and/or sell it.

DerBosewicht · 11-13-2018, 08:56 AM

So I have been doing more research and recently connected with DME Tuning, I was pretty sure I was going to do BM3, but confirmed with DME the numbers and pricing for the S1 and
Stage 1 560 HP / 595 TQ

Stage 2 600 HP / 640 TQ
Stage 2 won’t reach full potential unless you have downpipes, but can still be run on stock

This is on stock turbos. DME has seen pretty proven across the platforms

FSociety · 11-13-2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DerBosewicht

So I have been doing more research and recently connected with DME Tuning, I was pretty sure I was going to do BM3, but confirmed with DME the numbers and pricing for the S1 and
Stage 1 560 HP / 595 TQ

Stage 2 600 HP / 640 TQ
Stage 2 won’t reach full potential unless you have downpipes, but can still be run on stock

This is on stock turbos. DME has seen pretty proven across the platforms

You can get Bootmod3 and have DME map as well. Allowing you to flash both and compare. These numbers are at the crank not the wheels btw.

DerBosewicht · 11-13-2018, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

You can get Bootmod3 and have DME map as well. Allowing you to flash both and compare. These numbers are at the crank not the wheels btw.

Got you. FSociety can you elaborate on how the two work together at same time... I was under the impression it was either or like with the JB?

Or is it similar to having multiple maps you can switch between?

Vorpel · 11-13-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FSociety

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Originally Posted by DerBosewicht

So I have been doing more research and recently connected with DME Tuning, I was pretty sure I was going to do BM3, but confirmed with DME the numbers and pricing for the S1 and
Stage 1 560 HP / 595 TQ

Stage 2 600 HP / 640 TQ
Stage 2 won’t reach full potential unless you have downpipes, but can still be run on stock

This is on stock turbos. DME has seen pretty proven across the platforms

You can get Bootmod3 and have DME map as well. Allowing you to flash both and compare. These numbers are at the crank not the wheels btw.

Interesting point about the power at the crank vs. wheels. From a quick Google search it looks like maybe 15% of the power from the crank is lost getting to the wheels.

Question about stage 2 tuning requirements. I'm assuming that changing the downpipes will affect the emissions performance. Do you need to go catless to get the full benefit from stage 2, or is there an in between?

Lastly - I've seen a lot of conversation around changing out the OEM plugs - is this required (or highly encouraged) for stage 1? What about stage 2?

Thanks!

Cmb6s · 11-21-2018, 04:35 PM

I just purchased the bootmod3 software/license via eBay for $705. It looked like it's being offered from two different vendors (at least one of which seems to advertise on here) and one of them is currently offering it for 10% off... so $805. Combine that with the 15% coupon that eBay currently has (PICKFAST - up to $100 off) and the price is $705 for at least another couple hours. :P My '16 650i only has 14k miles on it, so I'm a little hesitant to flash it already, but from what I'm hearing, the default mapping seems to be on the safer/milder side?

FBMWWINS · 11-21-2018, 05:08 PM

Indeed that is an excellent price what you found. Meanwhile I noticed they adjusted their Black Friday offer on their Website too accordingly.
My car has 16.000 km now and just over a year of life and still I am going to flash it. It's not only about the tune itself (Stage 1 should be fine), but also how much strain you put on the car.
I am very pleased about the results on my N55-based F32 thus I certainly look forward to having BM3 on the F06 as well.

Vorpel · 11-21-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmb6s

I just purchased the bootmod3 software/license via eBay for $705. It looked like it's being offered from two different vendors (at least one of which seems to advertise on here) and one of them is currently offering it for 10% off... so $805. Combine that with the 15% coupon that eBay currently has (PICKFAST - up to $100 off) and the price is $705 for at least another couple hours. :P My '16 650i only has 14k miles on it, so I'm a little hesitant to flash it already, but from what I'm hearing, the default mapping seems to be on the safer/milder side?

Thanks for the heads up - just pulled the trigger and got a license!

FBMWWINS · 11-21-2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorpel

Thanks for the heads up - just pulled the trigger and got a license!

Fantastic! I am happy for you (know how much you wanted it...) and the price is really good at this stage.

Now you get things sorted out with the car and then you are up and running.

Cmb6s · 11-21-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorpel

Thanks for the heads up - just pulled the trigger and got a license!

I'm glad somebody else could benefit from the sale too. I've been lurking on this forum for a few months, trying to learn what I can about these cars, but figured it was finally time to post something. There seem to be some tutorials out on the web for bootmod3, so I'm hoping it's not overly complicated. However, I'm still confused as heck about diagnostic and configuration software...

FBMWWINS · 11-22-2018, 02:37 AM

I personally fnd the BM3 installation guide over at F80Bimmerpost very complete and easiest to follow:

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1474470

It's very well explained. The BM3 is a quick and easy install. And if doing it for the 1st time just take time reading and following each step. There is hardly anything you can do wrong.

mrjsmith88 · 11-22-2018, 08:41 AM

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When I asked via email they told me the same +/- 100 HP on Stage 1.
Whereas they confirmed that for flashing Stage 2 catless/highflow downpipes are needed. I wonder if catted one would also do the job along perhaps the Dinan pair of Intercoolers. I would like to stay "legal". Though if the 100 HP gain holds true I say that is plenty of extra power considering you would probably be pairing that with 700-800 NM.
I was looking for a transfer license but have not had luck thus far.

I agree with staying legal. Going catless isn't appealing to me personally - I don't want to pollute more, don't really want my car to sound too loud, don't want the extra expense and finally I don't want to smell raw gas...

One area I'm investigating is whether or not you can use E85 fuel with the N63TU on a stage 1 tune. I believe that you have to go with a custom tune and I even reached out to Cary Jordan (very good and popular bm3 tuner) but he said that he doesn't do custom tunes for this engine. I still have more reading and leg work to do there but from the sounds of it, E85 could give a big jump in HP over a stage 1 tune.

I've been looking for a transfer license as well without any luck.

Jus spoke to Cary two days ago He said he will do the motor but gotta go slow motor is very easy to blow up as he stated

mrjsmith88 · 11-22-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmb6s

I just purchased the bootmod3 software/license via eBay for $705. It looked like it's being offered from two different vendors (at least one of which seems to advertise on here) and one of them is currently offering it for 10% off... so $805. Combine that with the 15% coupon that eBay currently has (PICKFAST - up to $100 off) and the price is $705 for at least another couple hours. :P My '16 650i only has 14k miles on it, so I'm a little hesitant to flash it already, but from what I'm hearing, the default mapping seems to be on the safer/milder side?

Curious to know man did u flash yet and if so how is it?

Vorpel · 11-22-2018, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mrjsmith88

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Originally Posted by Vorpel

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Originally Posted by F06WINS

When I asked via email they told me the same +/- 100 HP on Stage 1.
Whereas they confirmed that for flashing Stage 2 catless/highflow downpipes are needed. I wonder if catted one would also do the job along perhaps the Dinan pair of Intercoolers. I would like to stay "legal". Though if the 100 HP gain holds true I say that is plenty of extra power considering you would probably be pairing that with 700-800 NM.
I was looking for a transfer license but have not had luck thus far.

I agree with staying legal. Going catless isn't appealing to me personally - I don't want to pollute more, don't really want my car to sound too loud, don't want the extra expense and finally I don't want to smell raw gas...

One area I'm investigating is whether or not you can use E85 fuel with the N63TU on a stage 1 tune. I believe that you have to go with a custom tune and I even reached out to Cary Jordan (very good and popular bm3 tuner) but he said that he doesn't do custom tunes for this engine. I still have more reading and leg work to do there but from the sounds of it, E85 could give a big jump in HP over a stage 1 tune.

I've been looking for a transfer license as well without any luck.

Jus spoke to Cary two days ago He said he will do the motor but gotta go slow motor is very easy to blow up as he stated

That's a bit scary sounding... Was he referring to the use of E85?

mrjsmith88 · 11-22-2018, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorpel

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Originally Posted by mrjsmith88

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Originally Posted by Vorpel

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Originally Posted by F06WINS

When I asked via email they told me the same +/- 100 HP on Stage 1.
Whereas they confirmed that for flashing Stage 2 catless/highflow downpipes are needed. I wonder if catted one would also do the job along perhaps the Dinan pair of Intercoolers. I would like to stay "legal". Though if the 100 HP gain holds true I say that is plenty of extra power considering you would probably be pairing that with 700-800 NM.
I was looking for a transfer license but have not had luck thus far.

I agree with staying legal. Going catless isn't appealing to me personally - I don't want to pollute more, don't really want my car to sound too loud, don't want the extra expense and finally I don't want to smell raw gas...

One area I'm investigating is whether or not you can use E85 fuel with the N63TU on a stage 1 tune. I believe that you have to go with a custom tune and I even reached out to Cary Jordan (very good and popular bm3 tuner) but he said that he doesn't do custom tunes for this engine. I still have more reading and leg work to do there but from the sounds of it, E85 could give a big jump in HP over a stage 1 tune.

I've been looking for a transfer license as well without any luck.

Jus spoke to Cary two days ago He said he will do the motor but gotta go slow motor is very easy to blow up as he stated

That's a bit scary sounding... Was he referring to the use of E85?

Naw 93 octane

mrjsmith88 · 11-22-2018, 09:47 AM

Yea man

Vorpel · 11-22-2018, 09:49 AM

Thanks for the clarification! I can't get 93 octane in my area, but I can find E85. I need to find a tuner that specializes in N63TU and has experience with E85 tuning.

FBMWWINS · 11-22-2018, 10:10 AM

Interesting to hear and somewhat disappointing as I tank Shell V Power 100 RON in my area (95 Octane) and intend to continue with it since it's proven to be a very good quality fuel. On my F32 I have not had any issues with the BM3 but of course the N63TU engine is a different beast as compared to N54/N55 engines which we know can withstand quite a lot.
I will give it a try in Stage 1 which should be plenty of power according to the "promised" numbers. I still have to receive the stuff and install it but the real tests will come when spring arrives since the freezing temps do not allow much these days.

FBMWWINS · 12-05-2018, 01:30 PM

Tonight was the night - I finally flashed my 650iXdrive with the BM3 Stage 1 93 Octane (98 RON) map and went for a testdrive. I had to contain myself - it's cold and wet thus no risky stuff. However the power increase is noticeable right away and there is way less lag down under than before. The difference is felt immediately and in comfort mode already - seems like a light sport mode as compared to before.
So far so good and so far so happy but will need to drive and test it over an extensive period of time.

Cmb6s · 12-05-2018, 01:56 PM

Congrats! I'm glad it all went smoothly for you. And it's good to hear that the difference is noticeable. I'm still waiting to get my car on a dyno before I flash it. I'd really like some before and after numbers to see what the real gains are.

On a related note, I just e-mailed Protuning Freaks asking if anything else was necessary with the flash (colder plugs, increased flow air filter, reduced plug gap, etc.). Their response was essentially "no", but they stated that if you're getting misfires, it would be a good idea to go a step or two colder with the plugs and then set the gap to 0.018". From my research, it looks like the OEM plugs for the M6/S63TU are two steps colder and the standard NGK plugs for the N63TU are one step colder than the OEM bosch plugs. I want to put fresh plugs in with the tune, but am debating between the OEM bosch and the NGKs.

FBMWWINS · 12-05-2018, 02:31 PM

Thanks for that. Yes NGK rocks. I have the NGKs installed on my F32 and they are great - 1 level colder than the Bosch and of course gapped accordingly. 0 misfires and I have the BM3 installed there too. Before I had a custom tune also using NGK plugs and never had issues.
I have more experience with the N54/N55 engines and the 650i is my first V8 engine....
I will definitely look into the "appropriate" plugs for the N63TU as well and as far as I'm concerned they will probably be NGK. I have only 16.000 km on mine and wanted to use the standard plugs a little longer. But I will see how it all behaves.
So the M6 plugs fit the 650i too if they are gapped accordingly?

FSociety · 12-05-2018, 02:50 PM

N63TU is much more reliable than non-TU that is the one with issues
Just keep in mind have to properly keep up with maintenance on V8's
S63TU have plenty of horror issues even stock as well

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Originally Posted by F06WINS

Thanks for that. Yes NGK rocks. I have the NGKs installed on my F32 and they are great - 1 level colder than the Bosch and of course gapped accordingly. 0 misfires and I have the BM3 installed there too. Before I had a custom tune also using NGK plugs and never had issues.
I have more experience with the N54/N55 engines and the 650i is my first V8 engine....
I will definitely look into the "appropriate" plugs for the N63TU as well and as far as I'm concerned they will probably be NGK. I have only 16.000 km on mine and wanted to use the standard plugs a little longer. But I will see how it all behaves.
So the M6 plugs fit the 650i too if they are gapped accordingly?

OTS map are best balance IMO

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Cmb6s New Member 8 Rep 21 Posts Drives: 2016 650i GC Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	I just purchased the bootmod3 software/license via eBay for $705. It looked like it's being offered from two different vendors (at least one of which seems to advertise on here) and one of them is currently offering it for 10% off... so $805. Combine that with the 15% coupon that eBay currently has (PICKFAST - up to $100 off) and the price is $705 for at least another couple hours. :P My '16 650i only has 14k miles on it, so I'm a little hesitant to flash it already, but from what I'm hearing, the default mapping seems to be on the safer/milder side?
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FBMWWINS Captain 604 Rep 909 Posts Drives: M8C Coupé & M240i Coupé Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Indeed that is an excellent price what you found. Meanwhile I noticed they adjusted their Black Friday offer on their Website too accordingly. My car has 16.000 km now and just over a year of life and still I am going to flash it. It's not only about the tune itself (Stage 1 should be fine), but also how much strain you put on the car. I am very pleased about the results on my N55-based F32 thus I certainly look forward to having BM3 on the F06 as well.
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Vorpel Private First Class 47 Rep 131 Posts Drives: 2008 Infiniti G35x Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Idaho iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the clarification! I can't get 93 octane in my area, but I can find E85. I need to find a tuner that specializes in N63TU and has experience with E85 tuning.
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FBMWWINS Captain 604 Rep 909 Posts Drives: M8C Coupé & M240i Coupé Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Interesting to hear and somewhat disappointing as I tank Shell V Power 100 RON in my area (95 Octane) and intend to continue with it since it's proven to be a very good quality fuel. On my F32 I have not had any issues with the BM3 but of course the N63TU engine is a different beast as compared to N54/N55 engines which we know can withstand quite a lot. I will give it a try in Stage 1 which should be plenty of power according to the "promised" numbers. I still have to receive the stuff and install it but the real tests will come when spring arrives since the freezing temps do not allow much these days.
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FBMWWINS Captain 604 Rep 909 Posts Drives: M8C Coupé & M240i Coupé Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Tonight was the night - I finally flashed my 650iXdrive with the BM3 Stage 1 93 Octane (98 RON) map and went for a testdrive. I had to contain myself - it's cold and wet thus no risky stuff. However the power increase is noticeable right away and there is way less lag down under than before. The difference is felt immediately and in comfort mode already - seems like a light sport mode as compared to before. So far so good and so far so happy but will need to drive and test it over an extensive period of time.
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Cmb6s New Member 8 Rep 21 Posts Drives: 2016 650i GC Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	Congrats! I'm glad it all went smoothly for you. And it's good to hear that the difference is noticeable. I'm still waiting to get my car on a dyno before I flash it. I'd really like some before and after numbers to see what the real gains are. On a related note, I just e-mailed Protuning Freaks asking if anything else was necessary with the flash (colder plugs, increased flow air filter, reduced plug gap, etc.). Their response was essentially "no", but they stated that if you're getting misfires, it would be a good idea to go a step or two colder with the plugs and then set the gap to 0.018". From my research, it looks like the OEM plugs for the M6/S63TU are two steps colder and the standard NGK plugs for the N63TU are one step colder than the OEM bosch plugs. I want to put fresh plugs in with the tune, but am debating between the OEM bosch and the NGKs.
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FBMWWINS Captain 604 Rep 909 Posts Drives: M8C Coupé & M240i Coupé Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Thanks for that. Yes NGK rocks. I have the NGKs installed on my F32 and they are great - 1 level colder than the Bosch and of course gapped accordingly. 0 misfires and I have the BM3 installed there too. Before I had a custom tune also using NGK plugs and never had issues. I have more experience with the N54/N55 engines and the 650i is my first V8 engine.... I will definitely look into the "appropriate" plugs for the N63TU as well and as far as I'm concerned they will probably be NGK. I have only 16.000 km on mine and wanted to use the standard plugs a little longer. But I will see how it all behaves. So the M6 plugs fit the 650i too if they are gapped accordingly?
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