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      02-24-2021, 01:51 PM   #45
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You'll notice they photoshopped the hood as well as the bumper in the lead image (which is also the best rendering.)

But yeah, a new bumper will take care of about 90 percent of what's wrong.
Now fix the side mirrors, add a power dome, completely modify the Lexus tail lights/rear end, add the kink, get the door lines correct again and *maybe* this trash is 90% fixed. Most focus on the grills, but the rest of the car is damned near as awful. To me it’s an unredeemable car.
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      02-24-2021, 03:05 PM   #46
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AvH doesnít care what you boomers think
Until we vote with our wallet and M4 & iX sales tank. They'll be gone in 2 years if so.
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      02-24-2021, 04:06 PM   #47
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Why the surprise? He designed the E65 and worked with Bangle to shake up and revolutionize BMW design.

Hooydonk's been through all this before and weathered the storm.

No different than Lexus and the spindle grill, the Acura beak, Subaru's flying vijayjay ....

Vote with your wallet and see where the votes lie ...

Acura/Subaru changed but BMW and Lexus did not
But the e65 looks good, not just compared to the new 4. The back end was controversial yet most other automakers ended up copying it in some way. Personally I never disliked it
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Now fix the side mirrors, add a power dome, completely modify the Lexus tail lights/rear end, add the kink, get the door lines correct again and *maybe* this trash is 90% fixed. Most focus on the grills, but the rest of the car is damned near as awful. To me itís an unredeemable car.
Don't forget this trash.
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Don't forget this trash.
You guys also forgot about having the car lose 200 pounds@!
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You guys also forgot about having the car lose 200 pounds@!
Cut off all that bumper and it'll get you close.
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Don't forget this trash.
Wtf is that?!? Is that real???

That’s the first time I’ve seen that picture. :O
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      02-24-2021, 08:24 PM   #52
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Wtf is that?!? Is that real???
That’s the first time I’ve seen that picture. :O
Compare with the (non supersized) M2 Competition rear end:

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I read this interview as BMW telling us "we don't care what the vast majority of buyers think. We know better than you, so GFY if you don't like it."

I'm old enough to remember the adage that "the customer is always right" and companies WORKED to win consumer approval and admiration of their products. Now it's almost like they think I'm obligated to buy their ugly-ass automobiles! :
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      02-24-2021, 09:08 PM   #54
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Compare with the (non supersized) M2 Competition rear end:

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Good grief.......
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      02-24-2021, 09:12 PM   #55
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I read this interview as BMW telling us "we don't care what the vast majority of buyers think. We know better than you, so GFY if you don't like it."

I'm old enough to remember the adage that "the customer is always right" and companies WORKED to win consumer approval and admiration of their products. Now it's almost like they think I'm obligated to buy their ugly-ass automobiles! :
Maybe you're too old for the Brand?

I'm glad the customer isn't always right tho...
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      02-24-2021, 10:10 PM   #56
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I read this interview as BMW telling us "we don't care what the vast majority of buyers think. We know better than you, so GFY if you don't like it."

I'm old enough to remember the adage that "the customer is always right" and companies WORKED to win consumer approval and admiration of their products. Now it's almost like they think I'm obligated to buy their ugly-ass automobiles! :
Literally they are saying "Ok, Boomer."

Eh I don't care for the brand as a whole anymore. There's no feeling of cohesiveness of their marketing with their products and as you stated, they think they know better than their brand loyalists. I remember as a kid when my mom, uncle and dad all bought the same 1989 e30 325i in manual (all black too! Classic!) because they were great cars and drove it till it fell apart. I kept that feeling with me until I was able to finally afford my own BMW, particularly an M car. Yes I bought it slightly used, but I was holding off so I could buy the next iteration brand new. Now with this G series silly design, the poor marketing and the audacity of the designer, I'm glad I got the last great M car. I'll just enjoy this till the wheels fall off. =)
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I read this interview as BMW telling us "we don't care what the vast majority of buyers think. We know better than you, so GFY if you don't like it."

I'm old enough to remember the adage that "the customer is always right" and companies WORKED to win consumer approval and admiration of their products. Now it's almost like they think I'm obligated to buy their ugly-ass automobiles! :



They think they can treat bmw customers like they're buying in to the ferrari mindset but forgot they make bmw's.

Hoping this is just banglev2.0 and go's away at some point or else my M550i will be my first and last bmw...
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I pulled the BMW car sales for 2018 and 2019 in the US. 4 series cars average about 25,000 sales per year. If they are targeting 20% of buyers, that means that the target for the new, ugly 4 series is 20% of 25,000 or a target audience of 5,000 potential buyers/lessees. These guys have to go to business school, or maybe elementary school for a refresh of arithmetic.
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I read this interview as BMW telling us "we don't care what the vast majority of buyers think. We know better than you, so GFY if you don't like it."

I'm old enough to remember the adage that "the customer is always right" and companies WORKED to win consumer approval and admiration of their products. Now it's almost like they think I'm obligated to buy their ugly-ass automobiles! :
It's as if the same people that run German H&K firearms also runs German BMW.

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when this car first came out everyone focused on front grilles and I was criticized for telling how ugly rear end is. I was called hater but people see it more now.
It really makes me think someone did it by purpose to cut sales numbers. I just can't justify that rear end and for some reason 440i and 420d have way better rear end designs than m4.

Seems like f8x will be a great all rounder for many people for a long time.
Also, I can not wait to see the topics about lag, width and fuel economy of the new g8x series.
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Those grills...make me happy I am not wanting a NEW BMW. The new front ends are some of the ugliest on the market hands down! IDGAF that dude had a vision and thinks he wants to be bold, he ruined the allure of BMW for me anyway.
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The sales will tell the story. If it has problems selling, the LCI might "fix" it. I predict it will be received well enough to stay that way.
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I hope they fail fast and fire these idiots. It's indefensible.
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But the e65 looks good, not just compared to the new 4. The back end was controversial yet most other automakers ended up copying it in some way. Personally I never disliked it
As an owner of a "Dame Edna", I would argue that it is the E60 that has weathered the storm of criticism the best.

I would also argue that the E65 trunk/bootlid treatment was actually preceded by the 94 Honda Accord & 98 Volvo S80. Those just flowed better than the E65 ever tried to.
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So I saw the new M3 and M4 today - with the giant ass grilles.
Ugly af.

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they somehow looked better in person.
Nope - ugly as sin.
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The sales will tell the story. If it has problems selling, the LCI might "fix" it.
BMW will have to weather the G80/G82 storm.

If G80/G82 sales don't live up to expectations, expect (extra) discounts and denial, rather than an LCI redesigned front end and some proper soul-searching.

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