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Latest Video and Photos of BMW M6 Coupe and Convertible Testing at Nurburgring
BIMMERPOST NEWS Latest Video and Photos of BMW M6 Coupe and Convertible Testing at Nurburgring We bring you the latest live look and listen at the upcoming new M6 coupe (F13) and convertible (F12) undergoing some final testing at the Nurburgring. We've also posted below a set of photos from the testing. Not much camouflage remains, so its general shape and styling is easy to imagine. As for sounds, the M6 sounds quite similar to the F10 M5, owing to sharing the M5's 4.4L 560hp twinpower twin turbo V8 S63Tu engine [specs]. This prototype appears to be testing carbon ceramic brakes, which will be an optional upgrade. There's no final word on debut and availability of the BMW F12/F13 M6 but we expect BMW to officially unveil the M6 in late 2011/early 2012 with a market launch in 2012. Be sure to follow all information on the BMW M6 coupe and convertible @ http://www.bimmerpost.com/m6/f12m6/ |
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Great looking car but the sound of all that understeer just makes me cringe
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well its def fast, and it does stay flat ... but ur right that thing looks friggin heavy
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Right?! What was that about?!? I was just about to say the F10 m5 definitely holds it's composure more, that 6 looked so unbelievably sluggish! I have always loved the m5 over the m6. Pretty sure that m5 is known to handle better as well despite having two extra doors. Kind of like the e90 m3 vs the e92
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You can not HEAR understeer. What you heard is the squealing of tires sliding sideways across the pavement. There is no way that you can tell if it's understeering or if it's oversteering or neutral, by just listening to the sound. It didn't appear to be noticeably oversteering in the video but only if you're driving the car can you really tell. Sitting in your armchair will not give you a good idea of how the car drives AT ALL!! The amount of armchair coaches and drivers on here is ridiculous. EDIT: At 1:08 it actually appears to be slightly oversteering. But in reality, a car that loves oversteering can be easily made to understeer in a corner and also made to hold right on the edge and go neutrally around the corner. By driving it around one corner you can't come to a conclusion that the car will always oversteer or understeer... And you're trying to make that conclusion from watching a video! Last edited by italy430; 09-16-2011 at 04:56 PM.. |
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Understeer feels different than oversteer, that is a given. But any mildly experienced driver is able to decipher the difference between understeer and oversteer from the sound itself. Go try driving on a track sometime soon, its a much different experience than just watching videos of people on the Nürburgring from your armchair. Cheers!
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You cannot tell from listening to the sound. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Quote:
EDIT: Another little thought... the weight shift will go in the same direction, regardless of understeer or oversteer. I hope you can figure out why that happens. Last edited by italy430; 09-16-2011 at 06:20 PM.. |
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I have a feeling this car understeers a lot more than its predecessor. You can tell those PS2s? are not keeping the car flat and down. I am sure they are still working on the final suspension metrics, but definitely could use some more downforce. The increased torque and power of the s63tu at those rpms around those turns is too much for that set up. It really looks like it is dragging a lot of weight around those turns.
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Quit the personal attacks, or risk an infraction.
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This video (start at 8:10) should explain all. Thanks
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I believe this video is more appropriate. Tiff explains, very well, the different handling characteristics that cars have. Close your eyes and listen to the Audi in your video at 8:09 and then close your eyes and listen to the MR2 at 7:00 in my video. It transitions from slight understeer to oversteer. You're lying if you tell me that there is a distinct difference between the understeer and oversteer. The MR2's noise while it transitions from understeer to oversteer has no distinct change. It progressively gets louder as the car gets closer to the camera, which negates the change in volume being significant, and the noise itself has a very minor and progressive change from when it's understeering to when it comes to rest after the oversteer maneuver. |
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You're taking this way to seriously. You're still wrong.
I'm not gonna argue with you, not worth the infraction or potential ban... Enjoy! Quote:
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You guys are both correct.
There is a distinctive tire scrubbing noise when a car understeers. However, it is only meaningful when it is added to the feel of the car while driving, as there are many similar noises that can be confused.
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The new M6, and even the new M5, are just too large to handle well. The M6 reminds me of a barge.
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Bingo! That's what I was trying to illustrate with my last post. They do make a skidding sound but you'd really have to be driving the car to really know if it was an understeer or oversteer.
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I still think it is complete understeer and is set up to do this.
Is this list of understeer values from Wikipedia understeer accurate? Car model Understeer value Nissan 350Z 19 Mazda MX-5 21 Nissan 350Z Roadster 21 Ford Mustang GT 22 Renault Megane Sport 22 Maserati Gran Sport 23 Mini Cooper S 23 BMW 330i 25 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 27 Corvette C6 27 Corvette Z06 28 Lotus Elise 111R 28 Porsche 997 Carrera S 28 Saab 9-3 Aero combi 28 Škoda Octavia RS 28 Porsche 997 Carrera 29 Porsche Cayman S 29 VW Golf GTI 29 Porsche 987 Boxster S 31 BMW M6 32 Range Rover Sport Supertech 32 Ford Focus ST 33 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO8 34 Porsche 968CS 34 Audi RS4 35 BMW M5 35 BMW Z4 Roadster M 35 BMW M3 Comp Package 36 Opel Astra OPC 36 BMW Z4 3.0i 37 Subaru Impreza WRX STi 37 Subaru Legacy 3.0 aut 38 Volvo V70 T5 39 Audi A4 2.0 T Q 41 Mercedes E55 AMG 42 Audi A4 V6 3.2 Q Avant 43 Porsche Cayenne Turbo 45 Smart ForFour Brabus 45 Mercedes SLK 350 47 TVR Tuscan 49 Alfa Romeo 159 2.2 JTS 51 Morgan Roadster V6 71 |
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