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There was an identically prepared race car series from the 70's-80's entitled International Race of Champions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...ns#Road_racing

I saw the this series compete at Riverside International Raceway in Riverside CA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers...tional_Raceway the acclaimed road circuit. If memory serves me, the cars were identically prepared Porsche 911 Carrera RSR race cars or the IROC Z28 Camaro race cars, with twelve hand selected drivers from all aspects of professional motorsport....it was FUN.

The Masters Kart racing at Bercy was also great to watch especially in the early days with Senna Prost and Schumacher competing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master...ng_Paris_Bercy

There have also been various versions of "Race of Champions".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Champions
which have been shown on UK TV over the years but in rather a low key fashion as opposed to prime time viewing.
Still...always fun to watch but never really devised as an absolute way of showing who is the fastest driver.
Schumacher and Vettel competed as the team for Germany for many years.
Last run in 2019...with Vettel still competing - he loves the event.

Masters Kart racing: with Prost and Senna head to head.

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LeCrash is nothing without his cheating Jet-Mode
Yeah mate...I really wonder why Ferrari was suddenly slower...
In other words :

The whole '2019 season rankings is "FALSE" by the cheating Ferrari Jet-Mode
While it smelled like strawberries. It's a real shame for motorsports !!!

The best of all is ...The F* clown Jean Todt , knew it !!!
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No shock this type of post from you. He's had some amazing drives in a car that is possibly not even 10th best on the grid anymore.

Review time again. Where did Leclerc finish last week and where did Max the supposed regenmeister end up.
No chock ?
LeCrash winning races with Ferrari's cheating Jet-Mode was also no chock...
While the FIA knew that Ferrari was cheating . The 2019 Ferrari victories and podiums are/were "NEVER" deleted from the rankings ...
Who was victim from the cheating ? How much did that cost/LOST for the other teams ? Interesting topic !
Great job from Ferrari anyway ! As we know the MAF is born in Italy..

Subscribed by Jean Todt : Head of the FIA ...
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No chock ?
LeCrash winning races with Ferrari's cheating Jet-Mode was also no chock...
While the FIA knew that Ferrari was cheating . The 2019 Ferrari victories and podiums are/were "NEVER" deleted from the rankings ...
Who was victim from the cheating ? How much did that cost/LOST for the other teams ? Interesting topic !
Great job from Ferrari anyway ! As we know the MAF is born in Italy..

Subscribed by Jean Todt : Head of the FIA ...
This is the problem my friend, you provide proof upon proof on Merc and Ferrari suspect systems and yet all they say is 'well Lec finished well here' and 'where did Max finish'?
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This is the problem my friend, you provide proof upon proof on Merc and Ferrari suspect systems and yet all they say is 'well Lec finished well here' and 'where did Max finish'?
No. You have provided ZERO proof that any of the Mercedes systems you disagree with are illegal. And I haven't seen one person defend what Ferrari did last year.

Please, provide some actual proof. What rules are they breaking? If you show me in black and white where Mercedes is cheating with DAS, brake warming/cooling, etc., I will offer an apology.

Ferrari got caught last year breaking the rules... no question.

If you two would like to have actual discussions about this stuff, I'm sure everyone here would have a healthy debate. I'd love to talk about F1 with folks from that part of the world who are much closer, physically, to the center of the F1 world. Unfortunately, all you do is come in with heated emotion and nothing to back it up.

Can we all call a truce and have good debate and discussions?
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No. You have provided ZERO proof that any of the Mercedes systems you disagree with are illegal.
Thats because there is none...they leap on the most retarded stories (like Doornbos on some imaginary Merc illegal start system) and swallow it hook line and sinker because it lets them believe that their man is being robbed of his just successes not by the combination of the best driver and better car design but by cheating.

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Can we all call a truce and have good debate and discussions?
That would be nice...not going to happen though.
You might as well expect the 10s of millions of Trump supporters who believe the recent election was corrupt to suddenly change their minds.
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No chock ?
LeCrash winning races with Ferrari's cheating Jet-Mode was also no chock...
While the FIA knew that Ferrari was cheating . The 2019 Ferrari victories and podiums are/were "NEVER" deleted from the rankings ...
Who was victim from the cheating ? How much did that cost/LOST for the other teams ? Interesting topic !
Great job from Ferrari anyway ! As we know the MAF is born in Italy..
Subscribed by Jean Todt : Head of the FIA ...
I lose track...is the FIA in Ferraris pocket or Mercedes?...its hard to keep track.

But yes it seems fairly clear that both Ferrari and Honda somehow managed to game the fuel flow regulations and gain a performance advantage.
The FIA fixed the loop hole and the engines of both Ferrari and Honda (Red Bull) both showed a power loss in the 2020 season compared to the 2019...with Ferrari showed the bigger loss.
Noting also that the Mercedes engine power output remained unchanged by the tightening of the fuel flow regs.

Also when Red Bull where pulled up for using flexible front wings that were explicitly banned by the rules...did they have their wins/podiums deleted from the rankings?
"Who was victim of that cheating ? How much did that cost/LOST for the other teams ?
Interesting topic".
An interesting topic indeed....along with the double standards of some fans.
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No. You have provided ZERO proof that any of the Mercedes systems you disagree with are illegal. And I haven't seen one person defend what Ferrari did last year.

Please, provide some actual proof. What rules are they breaking? If you show me in black and white where Mercedes is cheating with DAS, brake warming/cooling, etc., I will offer an apology.

Ferrari got caught last year breaking the rules... no question.

If you two would like to have actual discussions about this stuff, I'm sure everyone here would have a healthy debate. I'd love to talk about F1 with folks from that part of the world who are much closer, physically, to the center of the F1 world. Unfortunately, all you do is come in with heated emotion and nothing to back it up.

Can we all call a truce and have good debate and discussions?
No offence mate but I don't think you're that technically proficient to understand the ins and outs of the points that have been put to you already.
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No chock ?
LeCrash winning races with Ferrari's cheating Jet-Mode was also no chock...
While the FIA knew that Ferrari was cheating . The 2019 Ferrari victories and podiums are/were "NEVER" deleted from the rankings ...
Who was victim from the cheating ? How much did that cost/LOST for the other teams ? Interesting topic !
Great job from Ferrari anyway ! As we know the MAF is born in Italy..

Subscribed by Jean Todt : Head of the FIA ...
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This is the problem my friend, you provide proof upon proof on Merc and Ferrari suspect systems and yet all they say is 'well Lec finished well here' and 'where did Max finish'?
This was a week and a half ago. How'd they finish again? But, everybody is cheating!

LEC has had some amazing drives this year in a very subpar car.
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I lose track...is the FIA in Ferraris pocket or Mercedes?...its hard to keep track.

But yes it seems fairly clear that both Ferrari and Honda somehow managed to game the fuel flow regulations and gain a performance advantage.
The FIA fixed the loop hole and the engines of both Ferrari and Honda (Red Bull) both showed a power loss in the 2020 season compared to the 2019...with Ferrari showed the bigger loss.
Noting also that the Mercedes engine power output remained unchanged by the tightening of the fuel flow regs.

Also when Red Bull where pulled up for using flexible front wings that were explicitly banned by the rules...did they have their wins/podiums deleted from the rankings?
"Who was victim of that cheating ? How much did that cost/LOST for the other teams ?
Interesting topic".
An interesting topic indeed....along with the double standards of some fans.
What, RBR like every other team in the history of racing would look for loopholes/bend or break the rules!?! Say it ain't so.
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No offence mate but I don't think you're that technically proficient to understand the ins and outs of the points that have been put to you already.
Thank you. That's the funniest shit I've read in a long time.
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No. You have provided ZERO proof that any of the Mercedes systems you disagree with are illegal. And I haven't seen one person defend what Ferrari did last year.

Please, provide some actual proof. What rules are they breaking? If you show me in black and white where Mercedes is cheating with DAS,brake warming /cooling, etc., I will offer an apology.

Ferrari got caught last year breaking the rules... no question.

If you two would like to have actual discussions about this stuff, I'm sure everyone here would have a healthy debate. I'd love to talk about F1 with folks from that part of the world who are much closer, physically, to the center of the F1 world. Unfortunately, all you do is come in with heated emotion and nothing to back it up.

Can we all call a truce and have good debate and discussions?
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Thank you. That's the funniest shit I've read in a long time.
The funniest 5H1T I ever heard is your F1 technical knowledge regarding YOUR brake warming

First watch a few races mate , or read "something" about F1 . Then we'll talk further...
Self study helps as well !
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This was a week and a half ago. How'd they finish again? But, everybody is cheating!

LEC has had some amazing drives this year in a very subpar car.
LEC ?

Let's talk again next '21 season . When LeCrash has a new teammate with the name "Sainz" !!!
I can tell you already that Sainz is no SEB number 2 !!!
Anyway I wish him the best of luck....
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The funniest 5H1T I ever heard is your F1 technical knowledge regarding YOUR brake warming

First watch a few races mate , or read "something" about F1 . Then we'll talk further...
Self study helps as well !
You guys are f-ing hilarious!

MY brake warming???? WTF?

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No shock this type of post from you. He's had some amazing drives in a car that is possibly not even 10th best on the grid anymore.

Review time again. Where did Leclerc finish last week and where did Max the supposed regenmeister end up.
Ruh roh...

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You guys are f-ing hilarious!

MY brake warming???? WTF?

"Brake warming" invention in F1 was your statement from above !
Well as far as I know they are trying for decades to improve the cooling of F1 car brakes !
Can "YOU" read "COOLING" ?

What are you smoking mate ?
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"Brake warming" invention in F1 was your statement from above !
Well as far as I know they are trying for decades to improve the cooling of F1 car brakes !
Can "YOU" read "COOLING" ?

What are you smoking mate ?
Its unfortunate. I was actually hoping that the two of you might be open to real and honest conversation regarding all facets of F1 as you both seem to be big fans. What you do, however, is come in and berate anyone who doesn't agree with you. You and your buddy have no idea what my technical background is (as well as I don't know yours), but that doesn't matter to you. To you, I'm just some idiot who talks out of his butt.

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Its unfortunate. I was actually hoping that the two of you might be open to real and honest conversation regarding all facets of F1 as you both seem to be big fans. What you do, however, is come in and berate anyone who doesn't agree with you. You and your buddy have no idea what my technical background is (as well as I don't know yours), but that doesn't matter to you. To you, I'm just some idiot who talks out of his butt.

Thanks for the talk, and have a great day.
Sounds great mate !
Over here It's actually 01:58 AM .And my background and job is technical engineer .

Have a nice day as well
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LEC ?

Let's talk again next '21 season . When LeCrash has a new teammate with the name "Sainz" !!!
I can tell you already that Sainz is no SEB number 2 !!!
Anyway I wish him the best of luck....
Honestly can’t wait, hope to go to my first race to!

Side bet, who will continue to mature more LEC or VER? I know where my money is.

I don’t think Leclerc is worried about Sainz all that much. He’s going to do his own thing regardless of who his teammate is. Not everyone is as petty as Max and has to have all the attention on them.
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You guys are f-ing hilarious!

MY brake warming???? WTF?

Pay no attention to those clueless clowns.

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"Brake warming" invention in F1 was your statement from above !
Well as far as I know they are trying for decades to improve the cooling of F1 car brakes !
Can "YOU" read "COOLING" ?

What are you smoking mate ?
Yes my friend and backs up what I was saying that his tech understandability is somewhat suspect.,keeps saying 'provide proof' and not much else. Lesson number one to him should be not to mess with pro's.
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Pay no attention to those clueless clowns.
Careful,you may be describing yourself with your tedious posts.
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