New Car Shopping

BMWBear · 03-28-2021, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

It means that this particular ranking has played absolutely no part in my decision making process. Sorry if you can't handle differing opinions than your own

Huh?

bucketfoot · 03-28-2021, 07:48 PM

Real simple, if you want to use the JD Power rankings in your decision making, feel absolutely free to do so.

If you value Consumer Reports... more power to you...

If Car & Driver, Road & Track, etc. are your sources...

If you rely on YouTube reviews, again whatever works for you to make your own decision...

Personally the JD Power awards/rankings have absolutely no value in my decision making process.

Alfisti · 03-28-2021, 08:33 PM

3.0 Supra. Easy, cannot believe you are even deliberating or considering the 2T.

Stretch and get it done, it is SWA over 10 years and when you sell it you'll get more for it.

Doooooooooooooo IItttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Machinebuilder · 03-28-2021, 08:57 PM

Figure out what think you want, test drive it and get a firm price and see where you end up. Take your time and make the best judgement and enjoy it. Don't over spend and stress yourself out since cars are lousy investments but everyone knows that. Your life changes and your needs of a car changes. Good luck

br2wdc · 03-28-2021, 11:42 PM

What a nice problem to have ... Stinger vs. Supra!

The Stinger really intrigued me as a very versatile GT type hauler with the top of the line AWD GT2 providing a best of all worlds car.

The new Supra seems to be somewhat of a dichotomy with it's Toyota heritage but BMW soul. Plus it's almost two complete different cars with the 2L vs. 3L decision.

For me I'd do a test drive for both to attempt to eliminate one or the other. If I couldn't, then my next step would be to figure out who wants to make a deal ... it appears that you can get a top of the line Stinger for about the same price as the 2L Supra.

My guess is the Supra will be your preferred choice, and I think the Savage Geese did a good job in his review of both the 2L & 3L (18:32 mark) :

"These cars the best examples of the modern sports cars ... people's eyes pop out as you drive by":

Note: SG also had an excellent review on the Stinger:

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

We are looking at a new car to replace my X1.

The first option is a Supra 2.0, which keeps the 2-seater aspect of the Miata, but has significantly more space. However it is way more money than I originally intended to spend (bottom line is I am cheap).

The second option is a Kia Stinger GT (3.3L V6). This is absolutely the more practical choice and honestly is a good compromise between practicality and performance.

bucketfoot · 03-29-2021, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stein_325i

What is the budget exactly OP?

When the search started the Miata was at the top of the list and I was shooting for a cap of $35K

Both the Supra and Stinger top that, which I wouldn't love, but would be ok with. At the same time, the price factor has also brought the 86/BRZ back into the picture.

I didn't bother with adding the $$$ part at the beginning, as I was looking for feedback on the main cars I had already narrowed it down to

BMWBear · 03-29-2021, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

Real simple, if you want to use the JD Power rankings in your decision making, feel absolutely free to do so.

If you value Consumer Reports... more power to you...

If Car & Driver, Road & Track, etc. are your sources...

If you rely on YouTube reviews, again whatever works for you to make your own decision...

Personally the JD Power awards/rankings have absolutely no value in my decision making process.

Yikes ...calm down. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
If you want to buy a Kia or a Toyota or a ten speed bike then go ahead. I was only suggesting a direct competitor to a car on your list and gave you one source of reliability ratings.

bucketfoot · 03-29-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BYEIL

Yikes ...calm down.

No problem, just trying to say use whatever works for you. It can be kind of hard to read the intention of messages at times

stein_325i · 03-29-2021, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

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Originally Posted by stein_325i

What is the budget exactly OP?

When the search started the Miata was at the top of the list and I was shooting for a cap of $35K

Both the Supra and Stinger top that, which I wouldn't love, but would be ok with. At the same time, the price factor has also brought the 86/BRZ back into the picture.

I didn't bother with adding the $$$ part at the beginning, as I was looking for feedback on the main cars I had already narrowed it down to

Open to used cars? Or only new?

5.M0NSTER · 03-29-2021, 11:46 AM

Friends don’t let friends drive 4 pots when a better option is available. Get either the inline TT 6 or TT V6.

bucketfoot · 03-29-2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stein_325i

Open to used cars? Or only new?

This will be a 10-year car, so for me that means I'm sticking with new in this search.

stein_325i · 03-29-2021, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

This will be a 10-year car, so for me that means I'm sticking with new in this search.

Okay, that is definitely a tough price point to find something fun and good at. Here's what I've got.

-2022 Stinger (the facelifted model has a newer and better 4-cylinder)
-New-Generation BRZ/86 (if you can wait for it to be released)
-Mustang GT Fastback/Vert
-Genesis G70
-New Nissan Z (I know you said you don't like Nissans but this is mainly using technology and parts from their good era)

That's honestly all I can think of. I would honestly get the new Z over the 2.0 Supra, or stretch the budget for a 3.0 Supra, it will be worth it in the long run.

Alfisti · 03-29-2021, 01:36 PM

That's what I said, just get the 3.0, seriously, NFI why you want a 2T sports car for 10 years. You're gonna regret it EVERY time you start the car and it's sounds ass.

Like the 2.3 Mustangs, like really.

OkieSnuffBox · 04-01-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

The new 2022 is likely too far off, but there is a new 2020 Toyota 86 that I haven't completely ruled out. Certainly the best price by far.

It's supposed to go on sale in October.

bucketfoot · 04-01-2021, 01:03 PM

Ended up going with the 2020 Toyota 86. It may have less power, but it was the only one that was truly fun to drive (and was the closest thing to the Miata which is what I originally wanted).

Alfisti · 04-01-2021, 01:50 PM

On another forum I went through the same process with a guy who went with the 86. i said it needed more power. We argued for 3 years about this, him adamant it didn't.

Then he posts a pic of his new to him Cayman. needless to say...... he needed more power.

OkieSnuffBox · 04-01-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bucketfoot

Ended up going with the 2020 Toyota 86. It may have less power, but it was the only one that was truly fun to drive (and was the closest thing to the Miata which is what I originally wanted).

They are fun cars. I had a '15 BRZ. Ground Controls, 18x9.5 RPF1s with 255/35 Star Specs, MXP cat-back, and E85 tune.

With a full exhaust and quality E85 tune you can get them up around 200-205whp from 200 at the crank. If you decide to lower it, ensure you buy a quality suspension (not the all the different rebranded Taiwanese junk). They are rear travel limited when lowered.

Depending on what happens at the end of the year, if I decide not to buy a new car. I may buy a used BRZ and Kswap it.

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bucketfoot Captain 1064 Rep 819 Posts Drives: 2020 Toyota GT86 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Centennial, CO iTrader: (0)	Real simple, if you want to use the JD Power rankings in your decision making, feel absolutely free to do so. If you value Consumer Reports... more power to you... If Car & Driver, Road & Track, etc. are your sources... If you rely on YouTube reviews, again whatever works for you to make your own decision... Personally the JD Power awards/rankings have absolutely no value in my decision making process. __________________ This post sent using 100% recycled electrons.
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Alfisti Brigadier General 6496 Rep 3,030 Posts Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	3.0 Supra. Easy, cannot believe you are even deliberating or considering the 2T. Stretch and get it done, it is SWA over 10 years and when you sell it you'll get more for it. Doooooooooooooo IItttttttttttttttttttttttttt
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Machinebuilder Second Lieutenant 279 Rep 268 Posts Drives: 640 IX GT Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Northeast USA iTrader: (0)	Figure out what think you want, test drive it and get a firm price and see where you end up. Take your time and make the best judgement and enjoy it. Don't over spend and stress yourself out since cars are lousy investments but everyone knows that. Your life changes and your needs of a car changes. Good luck
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5.M0NSTER Lieutenant Colonel 3354 Rep 1,823 Posts Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Back in Michigan, GO BLUE! iTrader: (0)	Friends don’t let friends drive 4 pots when a better option is available. Get either the inline TT 6 or TT V6.
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Alfisti Brigadier General 6496 Rep 3,030 Posts Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	That's what I said, just get the 3.0, seriously, NFI why you want a 2T sports car for 10 years. You're gonna regret it EVERY time you start the car and it's sounds ass. Like the 2.3 Mustangs, like really.
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bucketfoot Captain 1064 Rep 819 Posts Drives: 2020 Toyota GT86 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Centennial, CO iTrader: (0)	Ended up going with the 2020 Toyota 86. It may have less power, but it was the only one that was truly fun to drive (and was the closest thing to the Miata which is what I originally wanted). __________________ This post sent using 100% recycled electrons.
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Alfisti Brigadier General 6496 Rep 3,030 Posts Drives: 2008 Saab 9-3 Combi Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	On another forum I went through the same process with a guy who went with the 86. i said it needed more power. We argued for 3 years about this, him adamant it didn't. Then he posts a pic of his new to him Cayman. needless to say...... he needed more power.
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