[SW19]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Absolutely...

///M2 CSL

Why would BMW produce an M2 CSL,when they have already shortchanged a bunch of stuff on the M2.They are going to keep protecting the more profitable sales of the M3 and M4.It isn't going to happen IMO.

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Why would BMW produce an M2 CSL,when they have already shortchanged a bunch of stuff on the M2.They are going to keep protecting the more profitable sales of the M3 and M4.It isn't going to happen IMO.

M2 + the shortcomings they left out added (more or less) back in + M4 price tag

= M2 CSL

If people want an M3/M4 they'll get an M3/M4 as an M2 CSL won't be the car they want and it won't cannibalise sales costing the same either.

Plus they'd certainly all sell

Base M2 is £45k so i could definitely see a limited run CSL going for at least £57k

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Why would BMW produce an M2 CSL,when they have already shortchanged a bunch of stuff on the M2.They are going to keep protecting the more profitable sales of the M3 and M4.It isn't going to happen IMO.

Because Plugin Hybrid.

So, why not !?!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

^^^If they make that...can you imagine the VS. GT4 videos?

Those would be/are two cars worth making questionable financial decisions for.

Already in line at my dealer for M2 CSL.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Why would BMW produce an M2 CSL,when they have already shortchanged a bunch of stuff on the M2.They are going to keep protecting the more profitable sales of the M3 and M4.It isn't going to happen IMO.

Apparently you need to ///Marketing 101 class.


BMW can make an M2 CSL *because* they have " shortchanged " a bunch of stuff on the M2. It's simple, Make a product and leave the buyer wanting .. Then make the higher line niche product that really surprises.


Let me see .. Did BMW take a small touring car and make it into a cult classic once ? Is that car already pictured in M2 literature ?

Did they improve upon the E30 M3 by making a Sport EVO version ?

Why Did they make a E36 M3 CSL?

Why Did they improve upon the E46 M3 by making an E46 M3 CSL?

Why Did they make an E92 M3 GTS?

Why make an F80 M4 GTS when it's oh so close to the performance/price of an M6

oh hey did you not realize that there has been a special model of *every* m3 to date? :

Would you like to take this chance to try and tell me why they wouldn't make an M2 CSL?

Did you know that
M235i racing + M performance parts = M2 CSL?

[SW19]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Apparently you need to ///Marketing 101 class.


BMW can make an M2 CSL *because* they have " shortchanged " a bunch of stuff on the M2. It's simple, Make a product and leave the buyer wanting .. Then make the higher line niche product that really surprises.

Ever heard of a Cayman GT4?

Let me see .. Did BMW take a small touring car and make it into a cult classic once ? Is that car already pictured in M2 literature ?

Did they improve upon the E30 M3 by making a Sport EVO version ?

Why Did they make a E36 M3 CSL?

Why Did they improve upon the E46 M3 by making an E46 M3 CSL?

Why Did they make an E92 M3 GTS?

Why make an F80 M4 GTS when it's oh so close to the performance/price of an M6

oh hey did you not realize that there has been a special model of *every* m3 to date? :

Would you like to take this chance to try and tell me why they wouldn't make an M2 CSL?

Did you know that
M235i racing + M performance parts = M2 CSL?

It sounds like you are very excited for an M2 CSL.You make some valid points but I still don't think it is going to happen.It is just my opinion and I hope it turns out that you are right.It would definitely be an awesome car.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Why would BMW produce an M2 CSL,when they have already shortchanged a bunch of stuff on the M2.They are going to keep protecting the more profitable sales of the M3 and M4. It isn't going to happen IMO.

FWIW: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=104
('concepts' of two BMW CSL models expected this year, however without disclosure which models are involved).

Got no info, but as the French expression goes: "Un train peut en cacher un autre" (a train may hide another one, i.e. there may be more to this than meets the eye).

Let's wait and see what BMW got up its sleeve as surprise(s) for its 100th birthday.

[phoenixbmwlife]

What if the LCI also comes with a new engine?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

What if the LCI also comes with a new engine?

Hmmm.....like the S55 in the CSL? Or the B series engine in the LCI M2?

Could be a lot of ways this could go - I don't know the answer to this, but has BMW ever changed engines in the middle of a life cycle for an M car ? My guess would be no...

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Hmmm.....like the S55 in the CSL? Or the B series engine in the LCI M2?

Could be a lot of ways this could go - I don't know the answer to this, but has BMW ever changed engines in the middle of a life cycle for an M car ? My guess would be no...

I meant the B engine but they could put the S one in the CSL. And yes they have changed engines in an M car. They did with the E36 but USA didn't get that version.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

I meant the B engine but they could put the S one in the CSL. And yes they have changed engines in an M car. They did with the E36 but USA didn't get that version.

Well then there's a precedent.

The S55 in a CSL would be a beast.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Well then there's a precedent.

The S55 in a CSL would be a beast.

Let's hope they do that. That really would be something special and shut up ALL the critics on the regular M2.

[Nahlem]

Well i made my decision to order the M2 in 2017 so gonna be nice with the LCI changes :-)

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Well then there's a precedent.

The S55 in a CSL would be a beast.

When I suggested a beefed up M2 csl with the s55 for $70k earlier last year (can say that now ) see: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1095703

most people scoffed it. Personally, after seeing all this develop I don't see the M2 CSL getting the S55. I think it will get a lightweight 4 cyl turbo or a 4-cyl plug in hybrid, but who knows, I can be totally wrong hah

[The Prodigy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Hmmm.....like the S55 in the CSL? Or the B series engine in the LCI M2?

Could be a lot of ways this could go - I don't know the answer to this, but has BMW ever changed engines in the middle of a life cycle for an M car ? My guess would be no...

They did it already with the e36 M3 and the e34 M5. So there is a chance.

On top of that Audi will release it's new TTRS (and maybe RS3) with an 400HP+ engine. In combination with the quattro they will have sub 4sec numbers 0-60 and sub 15sec 0-120 times. If you're talking straight line battles, which every major magazine will do, the M2 will get blasted in those comparisons.

If BMW wants to compete with that they have to implement a stronger B-series engine for the M2 LCI with close to 400HP. But I wouldn't bet on this one.

But I would bet on this one: The exterior changes will be in the same extent like the 1 series (F20) received. Head lights will be updated and a major change for the rear lights (like the 1 series). If you're paying attention carefully to all BMW related news you will maybe already seen the possible design of the LCI rear lights.

For me this is a major upgrade. As a M235i-driver I like everything except the tail, so I expect the LCI to completely change the tail design due to the update of the lights which will finally make the car the way I prefer it.

On top of that I could think about very small interior updates and maybe PDC in the front as an option.

[Makman]

They will most likely not develope a performance engine of the B series (like this N55 is specific to the M2) because

1, it would take time
2, cost

and we all know they skipped mirrors for cost so you think they will redesign the M2 to fit a new engine LOL.

and all of this after one year, they just developed a modified N55 with alot of testing etc...smh

[Japper69]

Originally Posted by The Prodigy

They did it already with the e36 M3 and the e34 M5. So there is a chance.

On top of that Audi will release it's new TTRS (and maybe RS3) with an 400HP+ engine. In combination with the quattro they will have sub 4sec numbers 0-60 and sub 15sec 0-120 times. If you're talking straight line battles, which every major magazine will do, the M2 will get blasted in those comparisons.

If BMW wants to compete with that they have to implement a stronger B-series engine for the M2 LCI with close to 400HP. But I wouldn't bet on this one.

But I would bet on this one: The exterior changes will be in the same extent like the 1 series (F20) received. Head lights will be updated and a major change for the rear lights (like the 1 series). If you're paying attention carefully to all BMW related news you will maybe already seen the possible design of the LCI rear lights.

For me this is a major upgrade. As a M235i-driver I like everything except the tail, so I expect the LCI to completely change the tail design due to the update of the lights which will finally make the car the way I prefer it.

On top of that I could think about very small interior updates and maybe PDC in the front as an option.

Any link to LCI rear lights ?

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Already in line at my dealer for M2 CSL.

Yeah ?

[The Prodigy]

Originally Posted by Japper69

Any link to LCI rear lights ?

Keep in mind that BMW releases the 2 series Gran Coupe in 2018. There are several magazines (I can only talk the German ones) which shared some graphics of the new models. If you follow them over the past these graphics turn out to be pretty realistic if you compare them to the real models after release.

As you have the 4 series where coupe and gran coupe share pretty much the same tail. So you have the 6 series too where both coupe and gran coupe are very similar from behind. I calculate pretty much the same for the new 2 series LCI.

I expect the lights to be shaped way more dynamic and sleeker to the inside. Kind of like the ones from the 1 series LCI, so that a new trunk, side parts and bumper are needed and won't be interchangeable with the not LCI.

[jc9elfer]

.....maybe they will upgrade the rearview mirrors that everyone has been moaning and groaning about!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Makman

They will most likely not develope a performance engine of the B series (like this N55 is specific to the M2) because
1, it would take time
2. cost
and we all know they skipped mirrors for cost so you think they will redesign the M2 to fit a new engine LOL.
and all of this after one year, they just developed a modified N55 with alot of testing etc...smh

It was suggested in the past that two types of M2 have been developed in a parallel fashion.

Quite some time ago, reference was made to BMW toying with the idea of a reworked N20 4-banger (N20 Technical Training) leightweight sports car featuring flared body panels and an agressive aero package.

The N20 idea may be off the radar again since quite some time. But let's not exclude the possibility of a more track-oriented version than the M2 base version (4-banger ?) already being in the works as we speak.

For the record and FWIW:

• "Although work has commenced on the "Downsized" M, The M2 or the replacement for the most admired 1er M Coupe.
  It is known as the "Downsized" M because BMW M are investigating the concept of a completely reworked N20 based four cylinder in terms of the successor to the 1M offering the same recipe as before but with lower weight but still offering the entry to M ownership with the key of precision rather than outright power."
  (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=23 - July 2012)
• "BMW M2 Coupe - Successor to the BMW 1 Series M Coupe continues the same formula that made the last car be memorable, no huge competitor in the HP race, four cylinder will bring less weight, which matter most as does more enjoyment and overall feel is considered to be more of a priority than who has the biggest numbers. Already confirmed to be coming by BMW CEO.
  BMW M2 Gran Coupe - Baby Coupe inherits a four door brother and RWD, Direct competitor to the Mercedes-Benz CLA45 AMG. Scott26 shares that there are now firm plans for an M2 Gran Coupe."
  (http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...28&postcount=1 - March 2013)
• "Drop two cylinders of the Autoexpress article [i.e. 4-cyl. instead of 6-cyl.].
  BMW want the fastest four cylinder car in its segment. They also want the M2 to be the most progressive and dynamic car in its segment as well as the lightest performance car. They want a car that has a soul, unlike the Mercedes-Benz AMG A45/CLA 45 which are soulless to drive."
  (http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...77&postcount=3 - January 2014)
• "It looks as if they are investigating a more hardcore M2 having seen one at a test track, mixing aerodynamics of the Vision GT and the Racing but identifiable as the M2 but far more muscular and brutal than the standard M2. It could be for racing purpose showcase but I like to think of it as a potential rival to the Porsche Cayman GT4 and the first modern BMW "Batmobile" since the E9."
  (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=45 - February 2015)

[swagon]

Oh shit, M2 CSL all over again.