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I don't think this argument holds water as there is no way you can get the same car for 10% of the cost. Unless this is some kind of shell with the interior and a 3 cylinder engine from a Tata Nano. That is not something 99% of people will think is real. People can tell easily. So fake car does not equal fake watch in analogy. Luxury watches are totally different in that everything is enclosed and besides appearance, you don't know the difference from the outside. Also, watches sell on brand alone - their actual costs are way below that of the selling price.
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Do I have to own the original master taped copy of a (non digitally produced) piece of music to enjoy it? After all every other version is just a copy of the original. Quote:
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Wearing a fake is like rebadging your car. I'm certain that everyone on the forum hates seeing it done, and its not different when it comes to other luxury goods. I'm not much of watch guy, however I can understand why individuals seek out fakes in order to fulfill insecurities. Society associates expensive brands to success and that why girls hold fake bags, and guys wear fake rolexes.
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Even more laughable is you using music as an example. Music, in the form of CD's, MP3's and the like are made to be reproduced but the are licensed. If you buy a CD, you can make copies all you want and enjoy it all you want. The minute you sell that copy or play it for commercial use, you are violating international copyrights. It doesn't surprise me that you don't know this since you clearly have no regard for trademarks and copyrights. You should rebadge a Chevy. It's the same to you |
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03-10-2014, 02:20 PM | #94 |
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many threads dedicated to bashing bimmer drivers that rebadge.
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But to your point, A price of BMW parts is not indicative of the cost of goods - the aftermarket manufacturers are proof of this. You are paying for R & D, design, and brand |
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You wrote: "It's like saying someone is a collector of Van Gough reproductions. There is nothing collectable and there is nothing to be passionate about here." So while you would love a Da Vinci reproduction and hang it on your wall you couldn't be passionate about a Van Gough (sic) reproduction. |
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The level of ignorance in this thread......
Reverse engineering, meaning someone takes apart any give object and copies it exactly, bypassing the entire R&D portion of development, is a fraction of the cost. That's why you see so many knock off aftermarket pieces for so cheap. Anyone can make a simple mold of an OEM BMW Performance Splitter and manufacture it in China much cheaper than what it cost BMW to do a proper CAD design, tooling, wind tunnel testing...etc. I don't have much respect for people that don't have respect for intellectual property. The people that justify stealing ideas/designs/inventions or justify buying those same items so they can save a few dollars are no better. They don't fear having their ideas stolen because they will never have an original thought themselves.
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I bought a rep Breitling once because I wanted to see what wearing such a big watch all the time would feel like and how it would look at various times throughout the day. I plan on buying a rep Breitling and rep Patek to wear when I don't want to wear the real ones mostly for safest sake so I don't damage the real ones or suffer a big loss if I get robbed. I think it's fine to have a fake watch if you own the real counterpart but not to try to pass off the fake as real.
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Just like you I have respect for the original design and authenticity so I buy real watches. However, don't understand why it's a problem for me if others buy counterfeits. In fact it makes my real piece that much cooler to me, and of those buying counterfeits, maybe 0.001% would have been able to buy the real thing anyway. Other people wearing counterfeits shouldn't be a problem unless you're upset that they are getting what you paid for, less what you paid for it. Last edited by PINeely; 03-10-2014 at 03:59 PM.. |
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I didn't say there was anything wrong with having a reproduction. re-read my post and the context. You posted a link to replica watches and how there is "a lot of knowledge and enthusiasm..." To which I responded the text you quoted. My point is that there is nothing to be passionate about as far as fake watches or useless prints. |
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There is a difference between copying one part or one function and stealing an entire product - like fake Rolexes. I find it ironic that you finished your post with"indeed" as if you are in agreement with there being a lot of ignorance in this thread especially when you are on the opposite side of the that posts argument |
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Why not? There are hundreds of entire websites for people who are passionate about both of those things. Look up videos of people doing unboxing reviews on fake Jordan shoes, watches, etc. Read the comments. You'll find folks who are excited by the intricacy of the reproduction, and those who want to deceive their friends too. It's important to distinguish between these types of people.
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If you had a clothing line, let's call it SenorFunkyPants and I decided to make a clone for half the cost, you would have no issues with that? I think you charge too much and am offering a service to people who want to pay less. Right? As far as Samsung Apple is concerned, hear about the $1billion lawsuit in favor of Apple? Quote:
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Counterfeit good such as watches, designer handbags and shoes do bother me. People who make them and people that buy them have no respect for the hard work of others who designed them and manufacture them nor for the laws that protect them. I used to wonder why a company like Tiffany's was always on a rampage in NYC going after the small vendors selling fakes... It hardly makes a dent in their bottom line and I saw it as a victimless crime. In fact, they spend more on pursuing these people than they lose in potential revenue. But as I continued to think about it, i realized how much it cheapens the brand and floods the market with fakes and makes it less special for the people that do earn the money for the real article when they see everyone and their mother wearing fakes. I see it everyday in NYC: there are more "Chanel" bags in the arms of women in NYC than Chanel actually makes. So you may or may not agree with my opinion or the price of some of these products but I respect the law and the trademarks, copyrights, and patents it protects |
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I have a 'fake' HKs (which in the gun world is called a clone) because the damn state I live in doesn't let me have a real HK... so I settle for the fakes. and the quality matters but nothing I can do about it. |
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But as I mentioned, you can't compare a car to a watch. The car, if you add up even just the parts costs, has way less margin than a luxury watch. So as I said, you can't use your car analogy to compare to watches. A $10k watch probably costs no more than $1000 to make. Yes, R&D costs add up.. but a lot of the mechanicals are the same for the past 50 years or more so the R&D is well paid for. Basically, you are just paying for the badging.
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Your point about certain watches being hyper-susceptible to "design theft" is well taken. As a casual, "outside" observer when I think about "high end watches" the very first watch brand that comes to mind is Rolex, and the very first watch that comes to mind is a diver watch like a submariner. I realize now that it's a mistake to think the degree of worksmanship on submariner replicas applies to fakes of other brands just as well. And, even if you consider rolex submariner replicas in isolation, the question becomes what are you willing to pay for the over-engineering and authenticity that comes with owning the real thing. I agree that the poor workmanship on the replica SELs stood out the most. You know in hindsight, I actually do understand the premium placed on the "intangible" aspect of owning a fine, authentic watch. Take cars, for example. Our family has a policy of only buying brand new cars. My dad feels like used cars have been "sullied" (note: he doesn't actually use that term but that word best captures the essence of what he's talking about) of their reputation or prestige somehow and he doesn't sit well with the idea of owning a used product. When you consider the fact that cars depreciate anywhere from 10-20% the moment they're taken off the lot, some might view this line of reasoning to be financially imprudent, but it only means that we place high value on the "intangible" aspect of being able to say to ourselves that we own a brand new, untouched vehicle. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that others would place similar premiums on the intangible aspects of other luxury goods. Your enthusiasm about watches is palpable. As a self-proclaimed "non-watch guy" even I get a little excited about the subject after I read your posts ![]() |
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