California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

[MunkyTool]

Originally Posted by Onesie

That’s funny “he he” but pretty much ends there…

Comparing a horse to a car, can you travel to another state in a few hours in a horse?

Other travel longer distances slower, how is an electric car a revolution of any sort, especially in states/provinces where power comes from coal?

Good point. Agreed. They should get rid of the coal plants and bring those places out of the 1800's. Glad we're on the same page. Horses forever!

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by lakefront

Gosh, I remember roughly 30 years ago or so that the "experts" were saying the emissions from cars, factories, etc were creating a layer of gasses around the Earth that would block the sun's rays and create a new Ice Age. Funny that now its the complete opposite....

Citation?

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Tell that to the reviewers of their Rivian that charging stations are neither monumental or colossal.

One data point of out 10 million.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

We are just going to have to disagree here. I don't see how it can be done, if it is to be done, they need to start now at a much greater level or urgency than they are. We are talking about BANNING the sale of ICE's, conceptualise that for a second.

I don't see it and I guarantee they tweak the legislation to include plug in hybrids.

Are you concerned about available chargers?

The ban will be for new petrol cars. In 13 years. There are approx. 2m new road vehicles sold in California per annum. I reckon 1/4 will be exempt; delivery, farming, emergency, diesel, hydrogen, etc. At 100 chargers per week, it’s 67,600 chargers in 13 years. There are presently approx. 8,200 petrol stations in California.

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Are you concerned about available chargers?

The ban will be for new petrol cars. In 13 years. There are approx. 2m new road vehicles sold in California per annum. I reckon 1/4 will be exempt; delivery, farming, emergency, diesel, hydrogen, etc. At 100 chargers per week, it’s 67,600 chargers in 13 years. There are presently approx. 8,200 petrol stations in California.

Say what?
Where did you get the information that California will install 100 chargers per week?
Here are my personal experiences with EV Chargers (in San Francisco Bay Area)
- Our home was built in 1979, currently in process of installing a 7.2kw Solars. Asked the installer to upgrade our panel from 100A to 200A Panel. No big deal, just $2,500 for the panel upgrade! Except we have underground utilities and the Power company (PG&E) requires upgrade the underground conduits for the larger wires. That would cost at least $35,000 (could be more if the connection is across the street.
The current wait time for permit is at least 18 months!
-My company building was built sometime in the late 1980s, it is a LEED Platinum Certified. We currently have 2 L2 chargers on-site. They are looking to install a few more and was told NO CAN'T DO because we do not have anymore capacity. Would have to upgrade the Transformers and the cost would be hundred of thousands of dollars. Plus waiting for permit and disruptions to day to day operations.
So NO, it is not that easy to just install EV Chargers!
We are not even talking about the Grids and available power! Everything the temperature get in the 90s, they asked everyone to cut back on power consumption. Then rolling black out if it is hot for multiple days.
I am closing on 100,000 miles on my second VW eGolf as a daily commuter. I really enjoy EV as my DD but EV definitely not for the masses! Not anytime soon.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by chris719

We are paying high gas prices in part because refinery capacity continues to decline and refiners refuse to invest in any new facilities.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...ecade-Low.html

i don't believe. this dig a hole and oil flies out of it for centuries. the UN has just blasted big oil for ripping us off.

i wonder who runs "oilprice dot com"!

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

The ban will be for new petrol cars. In 13 years. There are approx. 2m new road vehicles sold in California per annum. I reckon 1/4 will be exempt…

Why would CA provide exemptions?

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

So NO, it is not that easy to just install EV Chargers!

Hello, neighbour. Fellow San Francisco denizen here. Yeah, you’re in a pickle. So sorry. But 100 chargers per week in the whole state is a nothing. Remember alone that now every new home in the state must have rooftop solar. And there are more than 100 new homes built every week. Plus commercial and public spaces. Power? Yours truly is solving that for you. You’re welcome.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Why would CA provide exemptions?

Every law has exceptions. There’s a law in California that ‘every’ new home must have a solar system. But there are all sorts of exemptions. This new petrol ICE ban will have loads of exceptions.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

Say what?
Where did you get the information that California will install 100 chargers per week?
Here are my personal experiences with EV Chargers (in San Francisco Bay Area)
- Our home was built in 1979, currently in process of installing a 7.2kw Solars. Asked the installer to upgrade our panel from 100A to 200A Panel. No big deal, just $2,500 for the panel upgrade! Except we have underground utilities and the Power company (PG&E) requires upgrade the underground conduits for the larger wires. That would cost at least $35,000 (could be more if the connection is across the street.
The current wait time for permit is at least 18 months!
-My company building was built sometime in the late 1980s, it is a LEED Platinum Certified. We currently have 2 L2 chargers on-site. They are looking to install a few more and was told NO CAN'T DO because we do not have anymore capacity. Would have to upgrade the Transformers and the cost would be hundred of thousands of dollars. Plus waiting for permit and disruptions to day to day operations.
So NO, it is not that easy to just install EV Chargers!
We are not even talking about the Grids and available power! Everything the temperature get in the 90s, they asked everyone to cut back on power consumption. Then rolling black out if it is hot for multiple days.
I am closing on 100,000 miles on my second VW eGolf as a daily commuter. I really enjoy EV as my DD but EV definitely not for the masses! Not anytime soon.

Damn you and your logic. [/sarcasm]

hopefully those that can, will adopt EV. Problems lie with those that cant'.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Every law has exceptions. There's a law in California that 'every' new home must have a solar system. But there are all sorts of exemptions. This new petrol ICE ban will have loads of exceptions.

I'll try again… WHY would there be exemptions to this legislation?

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

I'll try again… WHY would there be exemptions to this legislation?

Very simple, because there are many interest group, powerful lobbies Politicians will pander to get votes and stay in power!

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Hello, neighbour. Fellow San Francisco denizen here. Yeah, you’re in a pickle. So sorry. But 100 chargers per week in the whole state is a nothing. Remember alone that now every new home in the state must have rooftop solar. And there are more than 100 new homes built every week. Plus commercial and public spaces. Power? Yours truly is solving that for you. You’re welcome.

More than 100 new houses per week does not equate to 100 EV Chargers per week. Not even close!

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Damn you and your logic. [/sarcasm]

hopefully those that can, will adopt EV. Problems lie with those that cant'.

Exactly, been driving EV for more than 7 years now! A lot of my co-workers ask for advices and maybe 1-2 out 10 would be a good fit for EV. These are pretty high earnings individuals, mostly owned or live in single family homes so the percentage is probably even less when we look at the masses.

[DocL]

Originally Posted by chris719

Juan will buy a used car, just like he did the last time. Might even be some beater Teslas by 2035.

But will he be able to afford to replace the battery. It's not like you can go down to the junkyard and get a used Maxima engine for $1500 and install it with your buddies over the weekend.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

Very simple, because there are many interest group, powerful lobbies Politicians will pander to get votes and stay in power!

How could this be implemented? How would exemptions be targeted to interest groups? The exemptions would seemingly have to be on classes of vehicles and not people; no?

Edit: could you be envisioning people under a particular income; or ethic groups would be granted exemptions? I guess they'd have to special order an ICE into CA with their theoretical exemption?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by G80M4

i don't believe. this dig a hole and oil flies out of it for centuries. the UN has just blasted big oil for ripping us off.

i wonder who runs "oilprice dot com"!

You can find the same info from many sources including Chevron themselves who admit they refuse to invest in any refinery buildout.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by chris719

You can find the same info from many sources including Chevron themselves who admit they refuse to invest in any refinery buildout.

It'd be really foolish to invest in expanding refining capacity while everyone is talking about doing whatever possible to lower use of petroleum products. Not sure how this reality escapes people.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by DocL

But will he be able to afford to replace the battery. It's not like you can go down to the junkyard and get a used Maxima engine for $1500 and install it with your buddies over the weekend.

He probably wont need to. My friend has a Tesla Model S from 2015 with over 100k miles that has 85% of its original capacity. There probably will be junkyard batteries and installers at some point, though.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

It'd be really foolish to invest in expanding refining capacity while everyone is talking about doing whatever possible to lower use of petroleum products. Not sure how this reality escapes people.

As the government is funding Refineries on the East to start units up!! Sounds about right. Clowns

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

could you be envisioning people under a particular income; or ethic groups would be granted exemptions? I guess they'd have to special order an ICE into CA with their theoretical exemption?

More like locale, usage of car, etc. For example, it may be difficult for LEOs and EMTs to do their jobs.

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

More than 100 new houses per week does not equate to 100 EV Chargers per week. Not even close!

There are presently approx. 950,000 chargers in California. The bulk of that, say 900,000, installed in the last 10 years. That’s 1,730 per week. Say I’m off. It’s actually evenly over 20 years. That’s still over 900 chargers per week.

I’m not understanding the hesitancy to look at the numbers.

And if there’s a law that every new home must have solar, storage and charger, that’s that.