F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

What will the Ham fans say if Max wins?

That he's a dirty racer and won because of that.

I think no one will say that he won because the RB car is lightyears ahead
(hopefully they'll say that next year )

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

I expected you to cover both sides as you self identify as an impartial observer. What will the Ham fans say if Max wins?

Edit - Oops I read that wrong as what will Lewis fans say if Lewis wins. Lemme add another one.

Well most of the guys here currently only support Ham to troll max fans so hard to predict, but I don't think it would be directed towards max but towards the max fans lol.


But lets see what a hardcore lewis fan would say (haven't really been around any of them since this thread doesn't have a single ultra Lewis fan but we can guess):

1) Max would've won if he wasn't so agressive all year round. (Even I have been saying that so it would probably be a good guess)

2) Lewis won despite being in a worse car, and made a fantastic come back during the end of the season.

3) GOAT (to be expected if he wins 8, I can literally see the instagram comments)

4) Max is too agressive for his own good.

5) Something bashing Horner and Marko, I know they troll toto alot, but I don't know what they would say about horner - probably Karen horner or something and tell Marko to retire.






What Lewis fans will say if Max wins:

1) He won because of the better car

2) Max only won because he is a dirty driver (if they crash this will be huge)

3) Regulations hurt mercedes, Maxfia.

4) Max is lucky to have won, he threw it all away early.

etc.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

I expected you to cover both sides as you self identify as an impartial observer. What will the Ham fans say if Max wins?

Congratulations, good race, see you next year!

If Max does something stupid which I expect, I'll let the FIA handle it. I'm not wasting energy getting upset over something I can't control. It's racing... Sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Good race, see you next year!

If Max does something stupid which I expect, I'll let the FIA handle it. I'm not wasting energy getting upset over something I can't control. It's racing... Sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

For me I am thinking about the uber hamilton fans, on the same level as the two max fans here and what they would say. Reasonable fans probably wouldn't say too much.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by F87source

For me I am thinking about the uber Hamilton fans, on the same level as the two max fans here and what they would say. Reasonable fans probably wouldn't say too much.

I'm an uber Hamilton fan and have been since he was in GP2, but I'm also realistic and don't think he’s a saint that walks on water. I also follow other drivers and teams as well as I love the sport as a whole. I had a lot of admiration for Max and his talent, but his lack of respect for others has caused me to lose nearly all respect for him as a driver. That goes double for Horner, Marko, and Red Bull. They act like children; everything is always someone else's fault, or someone is cheating. They are the worst type of losers and the worst type of winners. If they win so, be it, congratulations to them and let’s do it again in March.

I've been watching F1 for 40 Years (ugh), and it’s by far my favorite motorsport/sport, nothing else comes close. No other series allows for the engineering flexibility and creativity that F1 does. WEC and Group C are also great as some of the cars are just mind blowing in terms of design and engineering.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

I'm an uber Hamilton fan and have been since he was in GP2, but I'm also realistic and don't think he’s a saint that walks on water. I also follow other drivers and teams as well as I love the sport as a whole. I had a lot of admiration for Max and his talent, but his lack of respect for others has caused me to lose nearly all respect for him as a driver. That goes double for Horner, Marko, and Red Bull. They act like children; everything is always someone else's fault, or someone is cheating. They are the worst type of losers and the worst type of winners. If they win so, be it, congratulations to them and let’s do it again in March.

I've been watching F1 for 40 Years (ugh), and it’s by far my favorite motorsport/sport, nothing else comes close. No other series allows for the engineering flexibility and creativity that F1 does. WEC and Group C are also great as some of the cars are just mind blowing in terms of design and engineering.

Probably not the level of Mpower and Rick are to max, where reality doesn't matter any more. And that's what I meant by my comments. The ultra hard core supporters that don't believe that their driver ever did anything wrong.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by F87source

Probably not the level of Mpower and Rick are to max, where reality doesn't matter any more. And that's what I meant by my comments. The ultra hard core supporters that don't believe that their driver ever did anything wrong.

That's drifting into the delusional type of fan that needs to make excuses for losses and throw victories no matter how small or questionable in everyone's face. No couth...

Trust me I understand where you are coming from, although I don't think I've seen to many delusional Hamilton fans here. Will be interesting to see the difference in reaction.

Whoever wins I just hope its clean for F1s sake.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

If Hamilton win then the max fans will say: "Mercafia", "Faster car", "Rocketship", "cheater", etc.

If Max wins then the Max fans will say the same junk, but this time with the caviot "Max won because of his skills etc".

Bro, I like you but the impartiality thing isn't working IMHO.

UR Canadian not Swiss

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Bro, I like you but the impartiality thing isn't working IMHO.

UR Canadian not Swiss

Lol.

But even if I wanted to pick a side to cheer for I couldn't, because I'm just not vested in this sport like mma for instance. I literally only follow F1 for the cars/engineering, I honestly don't even really care about this sport that much. So it's hard to pick a driver or team when you don't really care.


For example I like mercedes because of the engineering and creativity prowess, they bring out innovations like no other team has ever done before. I like redbull because Newey brings some amazing designs for aero packages, look at the Aston martin valkyrie he made a street car put out more than its own body weight in downforce, with minimal wings as it's all about the venturi tunnels. Like Holy shit this is revolutionary, even the senna and project one doesn't make that much downforce. The other teams are still struggling right now, but McLaren did a pretty cool trick on their diffuser to get the strakes longer than allowed which is ingenious, Ferrari well there's not too much good to say except they're coming back, Aston martin have potential, and the rest are just meh tbh.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by F87source

Lol.

But even if I wanted to pick a side to cheer for I couldn't, because I'm just not vested in this sport like mma for instance. I literally only follow F1 for the cars/engineering, I honestly don't even really care about this sport that much. So it's hard to pick a driver or team when you don't really care.


For example I like mercedes because of the engineering and creativity prowess, they bring out innovations like no other team has ever done before. I like redbull because Newey brings some amazing designs for aero packages, look at the Aston martin valkyrie he made a street car put out more than its own body weight in downforce, with minimal wings as it's all about the venturi tunnels. Like Holy shit this is revolutionary, even the senna and project one doesn't make that much downforce. The other teams are still struggling right now, but McLaren did a pretty cool trick on their diffuser to get the strakes longer than allowed which is ingenious, Ferrari well there's not too much good to say except they're coming back, Aston martin have potential, and the rest are just meh tbh.

I forget about Newey sometimes, but yes hes without a doubt an amazing engineering talent.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

I forget about Newey sometimes, but yes hes without a doubt an amazing engineering talent.

He is a one in a million.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Merc to BOT: Sure you can use a fresh engine *again*

Of course ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Probably not the level of Mpower and Rick are to max, where reality doesn't matter any more. And that's what I meant by my comments. The ultra hard core supporters that don't believe that their driver ever did anything wrong.

*****

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dbarton62

Wouldn't it be ironic if BOT performed the ultimate wingman maneuver and punted your driver off the track.

Not that I think HAM even needs the help. I predict a sweet victory for the Mercs and HAM on Sunday.

With something like this ? That would be really nice ! Isn't it ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Lol because there isn't anything that I could find referencing max's sustained damage as a result of that collision.

OK Mate , once again you need help as usual ..

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

OK Mate , once again you need help as usual ..

I need help, lol. You are one of two people here that are so deluded you cant see more than one perspective, you literally can't back up 99% of the things you say with solid concrete evidence. It's always some opinionated source, or some YouTube video with selective bias on data or footage it presents.

Link please.

And next it doesn't say anything about 40% damage and how much pace drop...

Lewis lost 4 tenths per all because of his front wing damage, but no reports on how much max lost.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

I need help, lol. You are one of two people here that are so deluded you cant see more than one perspective, you literally can't back up 99% of the things you say with solid concrete evidence. It's always some opinionated source, or some YouTube video with selective bias on data or footage it presents.

Link please.

And next it doesn't say anything about 40% damage and how much pace drop...

Lewis lost 4 tenths per all because of his front wing damage, but no reports on how much max lost.

I'll sent you MAX's damaged diffuser ASAP ! With the efficiency loss !
Wait ...What's your address ? At least do you have one ?

And I never saw 'once a solid concrete evidence from your side ..Just BS talk .
As I said you sound like an elephant in a china shop !

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

Lol.

But even if I wanted to pick a side to cheer for I couldn't, because I'm just not vested in this sport like mma for instance...

I'm the same with MMA... I've tried to watch but don't enjoy it...How do you pick a fighter?

Do you fight? Bet?

I couldn't enjoy F1 through technical analysis...I pick my team, driver and nemesis.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I'll sent you MAX's damaged diffuser ASAP ! With the efficiency loss !
Wait ...What's your address ? At least do you have one ?

And I never saw 'once a solid concrete evidence from your side ..Just BS talk .
As I said you sound like an elephant in a china shop !

You said Mercedes had "jet speed" and were so much faster than everyone else. I posted the F1 speed trap tables completely debunking this. If that's not a good enough metric to get top speeds I don't know what is, but it beats watching the tv and "seeing" the top speeds with your eyes.


Next Rick accused Mercedes and the FIA of colluding to make the new rules benefit then for engine penalties. I cited the FIA sporting directives from 2017 and 2018 showing this was not a recent rule change. I also cited the source showing engine failures per team in 2017 before the new updated engine replacement grid penalty rules. This showed the Honda engine was the one that failed the most at nearly twice the rate of Mercedes. So if anything the rule changes were made to benefit Honda.


None of you guys provided any solid proof to back your statements up.

[Artemis]

What about these controversial scenarios instead of crashes ?

Keep in mind: drivers: equal points | constructor's: 28 points benefit for Mercedes.

Hamilton (P1) keeps pulling away from Verstappen (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Verstappen's hands.
Constructor's title seems lost too for Red Bull.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Red Bull team.
Perez: "No power !"
Red Bull team radio: "Checo, switch off engine now. Sorry mate."
Perez parks his car on the circuit. DNF. Dangerous situation on track.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Verstappen catches up with Hamilton. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Perez: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."

Verstappen (P1) keeps pulling away from Hamilton (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Hamilton's hands.
Low risk for Mercedes to lose the Constructor's title.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Mercedes team.
Bottas: "No power !"
Mercedes team radio: "Valtteri, switch off engine now. Sorry mate."
Bottas parks his car on the circuit. DNF. Dangerous situation on track.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Hamilton catches up with Verstappen. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Bottas: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I'm the same with MMA... I've tried watch but don't enjoy it...How do you pick a fighter?

Do you fight? Bet?

I couldn't enjoy F1 through technical analysis...I pick my team, driver and nemesis.

I guess you got a few options:

1) pick a fighter with a back story that compels you, for example Francis Ngannou, grew up in poverty in Cameroon working the sand mines as a child, and then tried to escape to France through the desert and got caught multiple times each time facing the risk of being killed. When he escaped to France he was homless on the streets and then one day a boxing gym next to the local soup kitchen let him in to train for free and they saw he had god like power in his punches (he holds the record for the hardest punch out of any human of all time - well that was measured I suppose). Then he got an oppotunity to go the the UFC and the rest is history.

2) Pick a fighter with characteristics you like, for example: Max holloway and robert whittaker, both humble and chills guys and really nice people in general. But their fighting style is incredible with Max putting immense pressure that breaks people down, or Rob just putting incredible combos and devestating head kicks.

3) Pick just an insane unbelieveable character to ride the bandwagon train on, like Khamzat Chimaev, fought like 4 times in the UFC has been hit 2 times cleanly. Like HOLY CRAP how does that even happen? This guy is unbeliabely special. His back story is really good too.

4) Pick a fighter who has the style you like: Izzy for unbelieveable damn near comic book animated movie fighting style, like it is unreal his striking is next level with faints and precision. Or pick an unbelievable ground game specialist like Khabib, or Damien Maia. Or pick a well rounded fighter like Georges St Pierre and see the mastery of his stand up striking system where every strike's base is designed to look the same so it is hard to read, to reactive double leg take downs. Valentina is also incredible to watch, her style is just so silky smooth, everything is lightning fast and precise just wow.


Nope I did not compete for fear of brain damage, trained a bit and might go back to rolling when Covid calms down. Might even head to a boxing gym for the sweet science, but again I want to avoid head trauma and your hands and fingers get effed up hitting the heavy bag over and over again.


I do not bet either - if I did I probably would be broke because it is so hard to call fights. If I did bet it would be on Valentina and Nunes because they are so dominant (probably never on a male fighter because no one is as dominant as these two except maybe jones), but since these two are such huge favorites youd probably be making pennies unless you bet into the tens of thousands of dollars range.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Artemis

What about these controversial scenarios instead of crashes ?

Keep in mind: drivers: equal points | constructor's: 28 points benefit for Mercedes.

Hamilton (P1) keeps pulling away from Verstappen (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Verstappen's hands.
Constructor's title seems lost too for Red Bull.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Red Bull team.
Perez: "No power !"
Red Bull team radio: "Checo, switch off engine now".
Perez parks his car on the circuit. DNF.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Verstappen catches up with Hamilton. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Perez: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."

Verstappen (P1) keeps pulling away from Hamilton (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Hamilton's hands.
Low risk for Mercedes to lose the Constructor's title.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Mercedes team.
Bottas: "No power !"
Mercedes team radio: "Valtteri, switch off engine now."
Bottas parks his car on the circuit. DNF.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Hamilton catches up with Verstappen. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Bottas: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."

lol that would be crazy if both bottas and perez had engine failures.

But the only real way for mercedes to lose the construtors is if both mercedes finsihed outside of the points, or really low down in the standings.

But overall there is probably no way it will be crazier than saudi arabia, that race had me on the edge of my seat rewatching it.