BMW Skytop delivery at the BMW Welt - Exclusive Privacy Room

[g80_lucy_]

So how many M3s does someone need to buy to get on the short list for cars like this? Must be nice…

[Prince Thundernight]

Love the outside, kinda meh inside.
Now BMWs have great interiors, especially the iDrive 7 era. But this is a damn expensive car, and as such, deserves a completely bespoke interior, rather than a recycled one in orange.

[cfm56d7b]

Originally Posted by Athena

It pains me that we didn’t get this as a successor to the i8. Or even a replacement for the outgoing 8. I would have taken this to replace literally anything, but instead us lowly consumers got the X2 for our troubles.

Literally my words spoken too late. BMW, you can make more money if you want to.

[Roth517]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Imagine paying all that money and having iDrive 7. :P

Except it's better. And there are physical HVAC buttons.

[ChipXpert]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

That's pretty, if you have money to burn I suppose.

I swear this isn't sour grapes – I believe I'd opt-out of having my picture and name published while taking delivery. Seems kind of douchey, if I'm being honest.

Yeah, I'm low profile; don't publish my name.

[A_]

It's a shame that this design wasn't used for the next generation of the 8 Series. The stringent EURO7 emissions standards killed such cars in BMW's lineup. The only thing they could do was release a limited production run of 50 units.

[rotatingchicken]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

That's the really sad part: it's more likely than not that this car will sit largely un-driven. It seems like such a waste when you see a 10 year old car with 2,000 miles or something like that.

I agree 1 million percent. If i would've been able to get on the list i would've drove it. People said that even with my g82, i said never! I didn't buy a car to let it sit, I'm gonna drive it! 2 years later currently at 47k miles. If it helps to console at all, if i would've got a skytop, it would've been the same way ❤ promise

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Imagine paying all that money and having iDrive 7. :P

I’d pay extra for it. Anything to avoid 8+.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by KevinC

I’d pay extra for it. Anything to avoid 8+.

I don't dislike iDrive 8/8.5, but I'd like it a whole lot more if we had physical buttons as well. Which really isn't the fault of 8/8.5, per se.

Honestly, on the whole I'd rather have 8.5 and buttons, but if I have to choose between the two I'd rather stick with 7 and have the buttons than 8.5 and lose them.

[hufington]

I like the exclusivity aspect of this but the interior looks not very exclusive for the price. The design will get old pretty quickly but I guess it'll fetch a pretty penny in a couple of decades due to the 50 production number as a collector's car. I hope the buyer drives this and not packages her up and garages her.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by StradaRedlands

Every single one of them will go into someone's collection. That's the whole point of them.

If there is a point to that - I'm missing it.
Having 50 cars locked up somewhere indoors forever does little to promote BMW design in public eyes and does nothing to promote the brand.

I get it that BMW did not want to put this design into serial production (8-series sales are cratering), so decided to minimize the financial losses with a super-limited farewell run. But then again, what's the point in that if no-one will ever see them again outside of some museum collection?

Originally Posted by A_

It's a shame that this design wasn't used for the next generation of the 8 Series.

Evidently, there will not be a next generation of 8 series. Of any design.
Launched in 2018, 8 series just ended its production run in late 2025.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/10/07/b...p%207%20Series.

Originally Posted by A_

The stringent EURO7 emissions standards killed such cars in BMW's lineup. The only thing they could do was release a limited production run of 50 units.

That makes no sense.

8-series and Skytop run on BMW's CLAR platform that is shared with 7-series as well as X5-7 lineup. There are zero issues with those cars and emissions standards.
It's just that 8 series run has come to an end, and the anemic sales numbers providing little incentive to use CLAR production capacity for 8-series when more popular vehicles could be assembled instead.

BMW 8 Series sales in the US:
2018 923
2019 12,219
2020 20,703
2021 14,165
2022 7,479
2023 5,752
2024 5,346
2025 2,862 as of Q3

And no - you don't want to buy them used. At any price.
N63 engine is a grenade waiting to go off...

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[StradaRedlands]

Originally Posted by afadeev

If there is a point to that - I'm missing it.
Having 50 cars locked up somewhere indoors forever does little to promote BMW design in public eyes and does nothing to promote the brand.

I get it that BMW did not want to put this design into serial production (8-series sales are cratering), so decided to minimize the financial losses with a super-limited farewell run. But then again, what's the point in that if no-one will ever see them again outside of some museum collection?

Oligarchs need something to do with their time... curing cancer or ending hunger is lame.

[G(80)zuss]

Wack

[maticCRO]

Unpopular opinion-its an ugly car, especially from the side, for me its not worth more than 50k tops hahaha

[NotSharocks]

Paying $500k for this is basically proving that there's a sucker born every minute and that money doesn't buy taste.

Honestly feels like they sold these to fund some project that is equally as wack but they ran out of funds to support it lol.

[Mike_P]

This is the design language to go for the future 8 series and X6. Not the Neue Klasse.
Wide angular iconic grille, Slim headlights with dual LEDs in semi angel-eye setup, thin taillights in minimal design, shark silhouette and bold shoulder design lines, extended merino leather interiors with customization options, luxury, elegance and aggressiveness in one package.

[A_]

Originally Posted by afadeev

If there is a point to that - I'm missing it.
Having 50 cars locked up somewhere indoors forever does little to promote BMW design in public eyes and does nothing to promote the brand.

I get it that BMW did not want to put this design into serial production (8-series sales are cratering), so decided to minimize the financial losses with a super-limited farewell run. But then again, what's the point in that if no-one will ever see them again outside of some museum collection?



Evidently, there will not be a next generation of 8 series. Of any design.
Launched in 2018, 8 series just ended its production run in late 2025.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/10/07/b...p%207%20Series.



That makes no sense.

8-series and Skytop run on BMW's CLAR platform that is shared with 7-series as well as X5-7 lineup. There are zero issues with those cars and emissions standards.
It's just that 8 series run has come to an end, and the anemic sales numbers providing little incentive to use CLAR production capacity for 8-series when more popular vehicles could be assembled instead.

BMW 8 Series sales in the US:
2018 923
2019 12,219
2020 20,703
2021 14,165
2022 7,479
2023 5,752
2024 5,346
2025 2,862 as of Q3

And no - you don't want to buy them used. At any price.
N63 engine is a grenade waiting to go off...

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I disagree with you.
The number of Series 8 units sold means nothing. Why else would BMW have produced the 6 Series F06/F13/F12, and before that the 6 Series E63/E64, or even the old E31 8 series or the Z4/Z3 series and the E52 Z8? It makes no sense. These were small quantities. Ferrari and other niche car manufacturers don't sell large numbers of cars per year either.
At the end of next year, production of the 4 Series Gran Coupé will be discontinued, followed by the Coupé, including the M4, the following year. BMW's range will no longer include Coupé and Gran Coupé models. Not counting the small 2 Series, which may not see a new generation either.
As you can see, BMW has focused solely on expanding its SUV family, because those are the only cars that sell. We have the X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, XM, and iX. Personally, I don't like these cars, because the streets are full of SUVs from other brands. I feel like there's too much of them. Although I must admit that the first generation X6 E71 looked attractive to me 20 years ago, but now such cars are nothing new.

[TargaM2]

🤢🤮Wow, that thing is truly revolting. Was it designed for the 80year old hairdresser market?. Hard to believe someone actually paid good money for that turd…come in sucker.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by A_

I disagree with you.
The number of Series 8 units sold means nothing. Why else would BMW have produced the 6 Series F06/F13/F12, and before that the 6 Series E63/E64, or even the old E31 8 series or the Z4/Z3 series and the E52 Z8?

I would love to debate with you, but am having a hard time figuring out what your point might be. Or with what exactly you disagree.

8-series sales have decayed to ~5% of max for its best year (2020), and after 6-years of production it got discontinued. Evidently, for a while.

Not sure what that has to do with 6-series or old 8-series, or Z8.
Feel free to supply the data, and we'll discuss further.

Originally Posted by A_

It makes no sense. These were small quantities. Ferrari and other niche car manufacturers don't sell large numbers of cars per year either.

Ferrari operates in a totally different car market, with much fatter margins. Farrari's production is optimized for small quantity of ultra-luxury and ultra-performance vehicles.
Specifically, Ferarri's Operating Profit Margin is in the high 30% range, or 28.3% for 2024. And growing. Ferrari unit sales are in mid-13K / year range.

BMW is a mass vehicle producer, with operating profit margin is in mid single digits, or 6.3% for 2024. BMW unit sales are in ~2.5M range.

Ferrari can accomodate a small-production run of $500+K cars with 30-50% margins and make money.
BMW can not.

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/key-metrics
https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/report/2...appy%20reading.

Originally Posted by A_

At the end of next year, production of the 4 Series Gran Coupé will be discontinued, followed by the Coupé, including the M4, the following year. BMW's range will no longer include Coupé and Gran Coupé models. Not counting the small 2 Series, which may not see a new generation either.
As you can see, BMW has focused solely on expanding its SUV family, because those are the only cars that sell. We have the X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, XM, and iX. Personally, I don't like these cars, because the streets are full of SUVs from other brands. I feel like there's too much of them. Although I must admit that the first generation X6 E71 looked attractive to me 20 years ago, but now such cars are nothing new.

So, what's your point?


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[A_]

Originally Posted by afadeev

I would love to debate with you, but am having a hard time figuring out what your point might be. Or with what exactly you disagree.

8-series sales have decayed to ~5% of max for its best year (2020), and after 6-years of production it got discontinued. Evidently, for a while.

Not sure what that has to do with 6-series or old 8-series, or Z8.
Feel free to supply the data, and we'll discuss further.



Ferrari operates in a totally different car market, with much fatter margins. Farrari's production is optimized for small quantity of ultra-luxury and ultra-performance vehicles.
Specifically, Ferarri's Operating Profit Margin is in the high 30% range, or 28.3% for 2024. And growing. Ferrari unit sales are in mid-13K / year range.

BMW is a mass vehicle producer, with operating profit margin is in mid single digits, or 6.3% for 2024. BMW unit sales are in ~2.5M range.

Ferrari can accomodate a small-production run of $500+K cars with 30-50% margins and make money.
BMW can not.

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/key-metrics
https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/report/2...appy%20reading.



So, what's your point?


a

You only mentioned sales in the US. The US is not the center of the world, because there are other markets, but that doesn't matter. Let BMW focus on the entire SUV family, i.e., the X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7,XM,iX, and the 3 Series + Touring, 5 Series + Touring, and 7 Series, and let them forget about the rest.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by A_

You only mentioned sales in the US. The US is not the center of the world, because there are other markets, but that doesn't matter.

Fair point - I only follow developments within the US market, because that is what I know.
Please feel free to collect and present the data on other markets that matter (China is the largest, but it's one big mushroom cloud for international auto makers).

Originally Posted by A_

Let BMW focus on the entire SUV family, i.e., the X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7,XM,iX, and the 3 Series + Touring, 5 Series + Touring, and 7 Series, and let them forget about the rest.

OK, but why?
Aren't we discussing 8-series / Skytop here?

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[jaffles]

I'm new to BMW so know little to be honest. But I am failing to see how that is hundreds of thousands of dollars better than my second hand E92 and E93 m sports. Its not like many of us drive these things to their potential, or the world is not a wash with cars.

But I fully expect ol mate to be there when the limited 30 edition ballet is drawn, and good on him for taking the hit. The nature of marketing, humans, and ownership means generally cars trickle down for others to enjoy.

I'll pass on the Skytop but got my eye on a ex lease M5 touring wagon or M3 in the future, works for me.