02-15-2024, 02:55 AM | #23 |
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The other point raised about Euro emissions standards killing them is also true and something I buy into as quite a large reason why manuals haven't been getting huge development over the last decade or so. But the manufacturers will never come out and openly say that the EU's emissions laws are why they're no longer offering a manual because they'll look like they don't care about the environment. So it's easier (and also true) for them to say that the sales numbers are the reason. I remember watching a Jason Cammisa video on a manual porsche some time ago and he said the gearing had to be stupidly long to pass a noise test at a certain speed or something like that! So everything from the cars not suiting manuals, to emissions and legislation are all valid points and contribute together to its sad decline. |
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If BMW kills the manual, they'll bring it back just as fast. Like halo cars, it's not about the cost or the sales, it's about brand image, and I don't think BMW wants to be your average toaster like everyone else. |
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02-15-2024, 08:47 AM | #28 |
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But that's the problem, there isn't enough enthusiasts left who can afford some of these cars. In general there are still plenty of automotive enthusiasts but the ones with the buying power are dwindling quickly.
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You forgot the Z3M/Z4M on your manual only list
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02-15-2024, 02:23 PM | #33 |
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Look how much fun you are going to miss if you don't drive a manual car. Some OP are kept saying manual gear box is slower. Yes, that is true but speed is not everything Fun start at 10 sec of the video clip.
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02-15-2024, 03:18 PM | #35 |
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02-15-2024, 09:09 PM | #36 | |
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The ones calling the shots are not enthusiats is why they want to kill off the 6MT. Not hecause there is no market but because they don’t want to create a market for the MT. This is because even though there are profits to be made, the profits are less than if they ditch the 6MT and focus on something else BMW is no longer a brand for the enthusiast, the writing has been on the wall since the launch of the G platform |
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02-16-2024, 01:47 AM | #37 |
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Frank Weber can fuck off. BMW M hasn’t been enthusiast oriented since 2013. Manual trans was the last gasp for air
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02-16-2024, 07:29 AM | #38 |
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That might be debatable. I would agree that it's certainly less for the "classic" enthusiast. There are still some folks do love their M3's and such and drive them pretty hard.
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Unfortunately, the writing has been on the wall for a long time. Most people just don't want manuals anymore. Fricking Gen Zers don't even want cars or a drivers license!
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I miss my C7 and can’t wait to get the Z4 so that I can roll thru gears again. The C8 going auto is why I won’t even consider it.
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There’s another factor: the quality of automatic and dual-clutch transmissions has improved enormously in recent decades.
My first car had a three speed Turbo Hydramatic transmission. It was smooth. The car was very thirsty. There was no manual transmission available for it, and it was moot for me anyway. For each of my next several cars, the manual transmission version that I purchased was better in every way, other than convenience, than the automatic transmission version: more reliable, faster acceleration even for someone with average stick skills, much better gas mileage, etc. Oh, yes, also less expensive, and more fun. My two most recent cars, both BMWs, have had the ZF 8 speed automatic perforce. It blows out of the water all the automatic transmissions available in all the manual cars that I previously owned. I briefly considered buying a ‘24 Golf R. Had I done so, I was torn on whether to get the manual or the dual-clutch, since the latter is very good and actually a bit faster than the manual. Soon enough, electric cars will supplant ICE cars, unless some other technology comes along to upend everything. Enjoy the manual transmissions while they last. But if you have to get a BMW with an automatic, at least you’ll get a high quality one.
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02-26-2024, 04:18 PM | #43 |
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Ya, every now and then we have threads like this and ofc everyone's different bla bla bla, but just like exhaust sound, many ppl overexaggerate the importance of MT, like it's the only thing that matters, when there are many other things that are as much or even more important when one is driving a sportscar. Any able-bodied person can drive a MT, don't make it sound like it's a crazy skill, and I bet if there's a hidden cam in ppl's cars, lots of these supposedly 'amazing' drivers have horrible form and don't even know what they're doing most of the time.
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Many disable-bodied can drive an AT. Just choose a MT! You won't want to see what AT drivers do. This is what made them choose AT. |
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