F1 2021: Turkish GP - Istanbul (Oct 10)

[M5Rick]

Reliability woes may bite Merc with their power increase.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96323...ty-issues.html

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Reliability woes may bite Merc with their power increase.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96323...ty-issues.html

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Funny thing is Bottas was running lower downforce rear wing than Hammy. Allowed for higher non-drs top speed, which makes sense since he was on pole and running rabbit.

Bottas has speed but cannot defend, so put him in rocket mode out front until Hammy get there or Max breaks down.

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Relevant part

Helmut Marko has explained that Adrian Newey was absent from several Grands Prix before the Turkish race due to a biking accident.

Red Bull's Chief Technical Officer returned to work at Istanbul Park after the accident earlier in the summer left him needing several operations.

Marko was pleased to have Newey back as the title battle heads into its final stages.

"We are well-positioned across the board, but Adrian is, of course, the head of inspiration," Marko told F1 Insider.

"He was back at the track here in Istanbul for the first time and could already help us again."

• I agree completely . But to close the HP-gap the so necessary extra ponies must come from HONDA - ASAP.

• Yeah. Bottas was running with a lower downforce rear wing .
I heard it was still a prototype . Probably it's for to handle the higher Merc topspeed .

• In other words : A test mule won the race in a test flight !

• The Merc rear wings in Turkey .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Here is the really funny thing about the RBR crew here: They ignore the fact that Mercedes Benz through Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz invented the automobile. Further, they are the most innovative car company on the planet. To quote Jeremy Clarkson, "If you want to see what will be on your car in the next decade, go and look at the new S-Class whenever one is introduced." It has been their policy to NOT PATENT SAFETY INNOVATIONS because they are for the greater good.

Lastly, they are one of the most risk-averse organizations on the planet. They typically don't even introduce updates to their street cars until a minimum of 10 years of experience has been seen with the parts. Think about that for a moment.

Having spent a significant amount of time with the racing team and at the AMG factory, I singularly admire their integrity, dedication to excellence, and push for maximum performance across all parameters.

They get it right most of the time as their current stint in F1 has shown.

Cheers-mk

Well my friend , then I really wonder why you still drive with your ///M-Bimmers ?
Advice : Sell your Bimmers and buy Merc's ASAP !

And this as well...

BOT is suddenly the best driver ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Here it is ''and Hamilton almost pushes Perez into the pit lane''
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...VDy4PQiki.html

"THE" snapshot of the race ..HAM's well known dirty trick in Silverstone Copse-Mode !

Masi : Why Perez wasn't penalized for this ?
Honestly I'm lost in words !!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"THE" snapshot of the race ..HAM's well known dirty trick in Silverstone Copse-Mode !

Masi : Why Perez wasn't penalized for this ?
Honestly I'm lost in words !!!

This. It can be seen just from this snap and Masi's goof utterance that the gov body are behind Ham all along. Masi the dork could at least have cautioned Ham for his questionable manoeuvre and it's obvious now he should gtf out of F1.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

• I agree completely . But to close the HP-gap the so necessary extra ponies must come from HONDA - ASAP.

• Yeah. Bottas was running with a lower downforce rear wing .
I heard it was still a prototype . Probably it's for to handle the higher Merc topspeed .

• In other words : A test mule won the race in a test flight !

• The Merc rear wings in Turkey .

As usual your snaps show the full picture my friend. Bot is still being used as the expendable risk so that it's safe for Ham in the next races.

[M5Rick]

Now Ham is saying nothing is changed on the car really??

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96356...-the-case.html

[M5Rick]

More about Max that you may not have known about.

[selbyp93]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"The Special HONDA Livery"

Beautiful white and red combo.

[Bubbles]

Interesting Wolf reaction to Bottas podium ceremony. Good to see the real wolf, occasionally.

I must admit, the potential of a WDC Bottas has an appeal. What a terrific send off for 5 years of lap dog commitment.

Imagine the celebration.

“Valtteri, this is James, Lewis is thirsty give him your drink, repeat, Lewis needs your drink and seat at the bar”

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Interesting Wolf reaction to Bottas podium ceremony. Good to see the real wolf, occasionally.

I must admit, the potential of a WDC Bottas has an appeal. What a terrific send off for 5 years of lap dog commitment.

Imagine the celebration.

“Valtteri, this is James, Lewis is thirsty give him your drink, repeat, Lewis needs your drink and seat at the bar”

Good pics there of a forlorn Val with his beer and Wolf the only one with arms crossed..a telling sign,I sometimes wonder if there is a person underneath the skin

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They must have been working on the I/C system for quite a while especially within the tight confines that we've seen on the rare occasions when an engine cover was removed and it must work in conjunction with the plenum cooling sensor.

Yes, it’s consistent with the temp sensor locations. Note IC location in this simple schematic. Mercs are running a more conventional exhaust layout than depicted.

[Bubbles]

F1 insider claims

PU manufacturers control engine modes even during the race.

Mercedes HPP can overrule Mclaren’s, Williams and AM ability to use a particular power mode in the race. Apparently, the switch sequence can be changed for each race for power modes. It’s unclear if unauthorized switch changes can be vetoed remotely.

Likewise RBR and AT need Hondas ok to change engine modes.

Factors of longevity, temps, mileage are considered but ultimately PU manufacturer has final say, so plenty of discretionary room to slow or speed up certain cars.

This could explain Russell’s massive performance improvement in some races, after all he is Merc’s future.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

F1 insider claims

PU manufacturers control engine modes even during the race.

Mercedes HPP can overrule Mclaren’s, Williams and AM ability to use a particular power mode in the race. Apparently, the switch sequence can be changed for each race for power modes. It’s unclear if unauthorized switch changes can be vetoed remotely.

Likewise RBR and AT need Hondas ok to change engine modes.

Factors of longevity, temps, mileage are considered but ultimately PU manufacturer has final say, so plenty of discretionary room to slow or speed up certain cars.

This could explain Russell’s massive performance improvement in some races, after all he is Merc’s future.

Several years ago this post was 100% accurate. The change occurred with the advent of fixed modes from the Beginning of Quali to Race to end the alleged, "Party Mode", advantage Mercedes had.

The post is correct in that there is an engine manufacturers team assigned to each customer team to monitor the engine, it's utilization, and performance. These teams are in an advisory capacity and while the customer must REQUEST permission for certain things, having the engine manufacturer control what the customer team does with the engine, outside of safety or reliability concerns, is AGAINST the sporting code.

On slowing and speeding up certain cars...this is patently illegal. It has been illegal for quite a while to remotely control the performance of the Power Unit. Further, in the current sporting code, once an engine has been turned down during a race for whatever reason, it cannot be turned back up.

I fully understand why these and other myths are propagated about the PU based on this account which I'm providing from RaceFans about when Lotus ran the Mercedes Power Unit. It's fantastic:

https://www.racefans.net/2017/11/09/...ding-puncture/

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Good pics there of a forlorn Val with his beer and Wolf the only one with arms crossed..a telling sign,I sometimes wonder if there is a person underneath the skin

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[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

No need to get overly worried my friend, higher top speed won't necessarily mean a race win at the coming tracks.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96205...ntage-now.html

Merc also has a tweaked front wing coming in soon, so that combined with the new higher top speed (even with a larger rear wing than RB) and the fact that the new pirelli rear tire side walls favour the merc might mean trouble for RB.


But I guess we will see, I really don't care lol I just like the engineering side of things. I just wish they were more transparent about what is going on with the pu and where they have improved things.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

WDC Bottas

I'd like that.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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This is what's on my mind what wolfy says that there have been no upgrades, yet their pace has increased all of a sudden, of course yco will say it's all in our minds
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/96393...velopment.html

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

Merc also has a tweaked front wing coming in soon, so that combined with the new higher top speed (even with a larger rear wing than RB) and the fact that the new pirelli rear tire side walls favour the merc might mean trouble for RB.


But I guess we will see, I really don't care lol I just like the engineering side of things. I just wish they were more transparent about what is going on with the pu and where they have improved things.

What is suspected as big upgrades that are denied by Merc concerning the plenum chamber cooling with modified intercooler and of course the Merc spec rear tyres brought in by 'weraceasone' parelli. The drivers themselves I believe are being kept in the dark to a certain extent about the upgrades and it can only mean advantage Merc at this late stage, all planned in nicely for them I'm afraid.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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And bang on time I've just read that Shovlin has been told by Wolf to send their usual warning to RB that they have a 'better package' to win the championship, oh the hilarity of it.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

What is suspected as big upgrades that are denied by Merc concerning the plenum chamber cooling with modified intercooler and of course the Merc spec rear tyres brought in by 'weraceasone' parelli. The drivers themselves I believe are being kept in the dark to a certain extent about the upgrades and it can only mean advantage Merc at this late stage, all planned in nicely for them I'm afraid.

I doubt it was "planned" for them, if it was then they wouldn't have made the 2022 regs so detrimental to low rake cars. They would have "planned" wind tunnel simulations to make sure that low rake cars were hurt less.