F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :

Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

It was noticed by Mercedes that Red Bull and MAX used FP2 to test the RB16-B long runs with a specific long run mapping .
MAX has shown during the FP2 that his long run was suddenly extremely strong ...
Perhaps that's why is Toto in panic and he's considering to give HAM a new Rocket PU ...Again !
I'm pretty sure , Toto wants a second Brazil ..
Or is HAM just chicken to fight with MAX in the front ?

Dutch Link => https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f1...r-bij-hamilton

Probably Suzie threw manic tots out of bedroom going crackers whether or not to give new PU to Ham

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

If you never got David Hobbs & Steve Matchett coverage I feel for you! Matchett was awesome on the mechanical side...And Hobbs would tell old war stories when things got boring. In the good old days drivers would drink, dine and dash even in Monaco apparently

The only problem was SPEED or NBC kept plugging commercials every 6-7 laps.

Then replays when return on lap 10, real live broadcast from lap 11-15 then on to commercials again.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

If you never got David Hobbs & Steve Matchett coverage I feel for you! Matchett was awesome on the mechanical side...And Hobbs would tell old war stories when things got boring. In the good old days drivers would drink, dine and dash even in Monaco apparently

Must be going back a bit also a nifty ciggie no doubt, they were the days.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

The only problem was SPEED or NBC kept plugging commercials every 6-7 laps.

Then replays when return on lap 10, real live broadcast from lap 11-15 then on to commercials again.

True, we basically get no commercials now but I still miss Hobbs

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

True, we basically get no commercials now but I still miss Hobbs

Hahahaha....they were fun...Hobbs really remembers the old days and keep calling "McLaren International" in his era.
And matchett sharing lots of his Benetton expertise.

Initially I didn't like Will Buxton when he joined instead of Peter Windsor, but his enthusiasm got into me and I starting to enjoy his presentation more and more.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Path of least resistance, and calculated risk.
New ICE will only cost 5 place grid penalty, with a new refreshed power and ability to overtake in the new Yas Marina layout. This would give Merc/Ham a better chance to win than a tired ICE and fighting from P2 or close battle in P1/2 with Max.

Its not impossible. We shall see tomorrow.

Of course , that's the meaning of the situation .
MAX runs race number '8 with his HONDA ICE.

If Mercedes goes for it , I really hope so HONDA as well ..

Yeah . We'll see ..

[///M Power-Belgium]

*****

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Of course , that's the meaning of the situation .
MAX runs race number '8 with his HONDA ICE.

If Mercedes goes for it , I really hope so HONDA as well ..

Yeah . We'll see ..

I was surprised FIA doesn't increase penalty on the number of PU components exceeds the allocated limit.

e.g. 5 place penalty for the first two ICE component, then 8 place penalty for 3rd to 5th, 11 place penalty for 6th onwards. something like that. That will deter teams to start strapping fresh rocket ICE almost ever other race, and only receives 5 place penalty.

anyways, those are the current rules and Merc/RBR is legal to put fresh components should they feel the need and the benefits outweigh the penalty.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :
Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Probably Suzie threw manic tots out of bedroom going crackers whether or not to give new PU to Ham

• Susie Wolff: "Mirror-mirror on the wall, who's the fastest of them all ?"
• Magic Mirror: "Ver-stap-pen..."
• Susie Wolff: "That's impossible ! What about our main man Lewis ?"
• Magic Mirror: "D-N-F..."
• Susie Wolff: "Do Not Fear ?"
• Magic Mirror: "Kaputt..."
• Susie Wolff: "Totoooo, a new PU for HAM, quickly !"

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :

Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

It was noticed by Mercedes that Red Bull and MAX used FP2 to test the RB16-B long runs with a specific long run mapping .
MAX has shown during the FP2 that his long run was suddenly extremely strong ...
Perhaps that's why is Toto in panic and he's considering to give HAM a new Rocket PU ...Again !
I'm pretty sure , Toto wants a second Brazil ..
Or is HAM just chicken to fight with MAX in the front ?

Dutch Link => https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f1...r-bij-hamilton

This was first rumoured earlier this week on Thursday, which was before free practice. So it is only for strategy reasons and potential risk avoidance.

Speculation of mercedes doing this in fear of redbull's FP2 long run mapping (which again has not been discussed anywhere....) is total nonsense, since the rumours started before free practice even began.....

Even if redbull tried new mapping, potential gains are minimal on an 8 race old engine.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

This was first rumoured earlier this week on Thursday, which was before free practice. So it is only for strategy reasons and potential risk avoidance.

Speculation of mercedes doing this in fear of redbull's FP2 long run mapping (which again has not been discussed anywhere....) is total nonsense, since the rumours started before free practice even began.....

Even if redbull tried new mapping, potential gains are minimal on an 8 race old engine.

Yes and no .
The plan was monday/tuesday on the Mercedes table in case "IF" it was necessary ..
This time in FP2 MAX was sandbagging while he was testing the long run .
From what Mercedes noticed today the situation is been put on Toto's table again ..

If it wasn't the 5 P penalty , Mercedes would swap ICE's in every race ..
And once again the FIA really s@cks regarding the regulations , as currently the FIA regulations are made for Mercedes .

If HAM's ICE has lost some ponies , MAX can't wait to take him down like a brick sinks in the water ...

If HAM wins , than his Mercedes Rocket PU has won the WDC !

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes and no .
The plan was monday/tuesday on the Mercedes table in case "IF" it was necessary ..
This time in FP2 MAX was sandbagging while he was testing the long run .
From what Mercedes noticed today the situation is been put on Toto's table again ..

If it wasn't the 5 P penalty , Mercedes would swap ICE's in every race ..
And once again the FIA really s@cks regarding the regulations , as currently the FIA regulations are made for Mercedes .

If HAM's ICE has lost some ponies , MAX can't wait to take him down like a brick sinks in the water ...

If HAM wins , than his Mercedes Rocket PU has won the WDC !

That's speculation at best, you don't know the inner workings of mercedes and their strategical planning...


Next I already debunked the engine grid penalty system, it was not made to favor mercedes. It was introduced in 2018 long before mercedes had pu reliability issues, and in 2017 the engine manufactuerer with the most amount of failures was honda at double the amount of PU's used during the season vs. mercedes. So if anything the regulations were introduced to save honda... So no it was not made for mercedes despite what you may think based on your favortism for max and redbull, you literally do not even have any proof to back up your claim - I do.


Lol again already making excuses for what happens in the championship, don't forget the RB16B was way way faster than the W12 from the beginning until way past the half way point. So there really is no excuses for max.... The funny part is you have two conditions so you can always gaslight hamiltons performance and try to make max look better than he is...


BTW here is the jeddah speed traps:




No speed advantage for mercedes, even listen to peter windsor break it down. the speed deltas are minor to nothing. So literally there is no excuse with "Hamilton's Rocket Pu" of max loses. If Lewis wins he won it based on merit and skill, the same goes for max.



If Hamilton wins it was due to the combination of him having the composure and skill to keep it all together and win 4 races back to back, and because max bungled this season when he could have wrapped it up early on when the rb16b was the superior car. If he had the maturity to back out up in silverstone and monza instead of going way too agressive he would be champion right now. Instead it has gone down to the final race. The pressure on max will not help, as nico rosberg stated in his youtube video, when you're on top the pressure is astronomical in that final race, to the point where you can't even get pole anymore because of the minor mistakes. And we are starting to see max make uncharacteristic mistakes like his Jeddah qualifying.

If Max wins then he managed to regain enough composure to win the championship he arguable should have had on lock this entire year. Because the RB16B was superior to the w12 the entire season, untill way past the half way point.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

tired ICE and fighting from P2 or close battle in P1/2 with Max.

Its not impossible. We shall see tomorrow.

Tired from 2 races, makes a mockery of the intent of the sporting regulations. Qualifying engines were banned for a reason. Before someone jumps in and says the rules allow it, the intent admitly offered by ToTo Was to help new and ailing PU manufacturers, not to be exploited by the dominated PU manufacturer.

If Merc took a new ICE for each race this year, would it kill the sport? Probably and certainly erodes the credibility of Hammy’s performance.

Hammy is actually building creditability performing with near equal equipment. Overrunning an ICE discounts his efforts.

It reminds me of ZR1 corvettes during track days, you’d pass them in a 993 on the technical sections only to be passed in the straight. Vette driver was always confused why no one is interested in his great passes, meanwhile the the guy running the spec Miata is getting congratulated by the entire paddock for shaving a tenth off.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If it wasn't the 5 P penalty , Mercedes would swap ICE's in every race ..
And once again the FIA really s@cks regarding the regulations

The knight getting a brand new horse as often as he wants, while the peasant has to ride the same horse again and again (albeit a reliable one) ?

If an F1 team changes a PU way too often in order to be able to keep up or beat a competitor, then it's questionable how such F1 team could even be eligible for getting the constructor's title. Longevity reliability should be rewarded and FIA regulations should be conceived with this principle in mind. For example losing 25 constructor title points for each extra PU + start from the pitlane or from the back of the grid. In other words a setoff for 'gaining an advantage' (trending term at FIA lately).

The fact that Merc changed more Merc AMG PU than Red Bull Honda PU, suggests that Merc thinks that the Honda PU keeps its stamina better than the Merc AMG PU, and thus is of better build quality than the Merc testosterone powerhouse that runs out of breath quicker. As if it were an insecurity message to Mercedes AMG buyers: dear customer, with your new Mercedes you bought a strong car in the short term - however, for long term engine reliability you should have bought a car featuring a Honda engine...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Thoughts ?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Thoughts ?

I guess I don't understand fashion lol.

But isn't it hot in Abu Dhabi right now? I would think a t-shirt and shorts are best.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

I guess I don't understand fashion lol.

But isn't it hot in Abu Dhabi right now? I would think a t-shirt and shorts are best.

Mate . Are you color blind ?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . Are you color blind ?

No lol. Might be fashion blind though, because half the stuff fashion models wear don't appeal to me in the slightest. But that's just me.

Can't really comment on what Lewis is wearing because he's also heavily into the fashion industry so maybe I just don't get it lol. Same thing if you ask a fashion enthusiast about cars maybe they wont get it either. Can't judge them, it's what they like.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Thoughts ?

Interestingly, orange dress means different things depending on the hemisphere and country.

Netherlands/Belgium = national color and Max army

India = purity and fire

UK = liberal social and political movements

US = prison uniforms

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by F87source

The pressure on max will not help, as nico rosberg stated in his youtube video, when you're on top the pressure is astronomical in that final race, to the point where you can't even get pole anymore because of the minor mistakes. And we are starting to see max make uncharacteristic mistakes like his Jeddah qualifying.

About HAM (surprisingly) losing the 2007 championship:

Also HAM can crack under pressure and make bold moves on competitors:

October 2021 - source: here
Several former F1 drivers agree: Hamilton makes a lot of mistakes
Title to be decided by fine margins
The 2021 Formula 1 title is expected to be decided by fine margins, with fans and former pilots struggling to label either Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen as a clear favourite to come out victorious.
What some of the former drivers agree on, though, is that Hamilton has made several mistakes so far this season during races.
"The rankings do not reflect the real situation," 1997 champion Jacques Villeneuve told La Gazzetta dello Sport.
"Hamilton has made many mistakes and has paid a low price for them, unlike Verstappen. So far, Max and Red Bull's season has been perfect, while I detect fatigue in Lewis and his team.
"In Turkey, they made many errors. But I do not consider Mercedes dead. Perhaps they have increased the power of their engine."
Former driver David Coulthard believes that Hamilton has been racing under pressure this season and offered a couple of examples that justify his take.
"There have been one or two incidents for Lewis and most of the time he got away with it," added Coulthard.
"I mean his runway off the gravel in Imola, for example, or the rubbing of the guardrail in Russia.
"Neither of them was gigantic action, but, for me, you can see something in them: he is under pressure."
Mark Webber also mentioned that the seven-time F1 champion is making notable mistakes that he didn't use to make before.
"We are having a phenomenal duel between Lewis and Max, but Hamilton's mistakes are already showing," noted Webber.
"Like in Baku or the strange behaviour before the restart in Hungary, when 19 drivers came in to change tires, and Hamilton was the only driver with intermediate tires from the start.
"For me, some of these errors are quite atypical for Lewis."

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Artemis

About HAM (surprisingly) losing the 2007 championship:

Also HAM can crack under pressure and make bold moves on competitors:

October 2021 - source: here
Several former F1 drivers agree: Hamilton makes a lot of mistakes
Title to be decided by fine margins
The 2021 Formula 1 title is expected to be decided by fine margins, with fans and former pilots struggling to label either Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen as a clear favourite to come out victorious.
What some of the former drivers agree on, though, is that Hamilton has made several mistakes so far this season during races.
"The rankings do not reflect the real situation," 1997 champion Jacques Villeneuve told La Gazzetta dello Sport.
"Hamilton has made many mistakes and has paid a low price for them, unlike Verstappen. So far, Max and Red Bull's season has been perfect, while I detect fatigue in Lewis and his team.
"In Turkey, they made many errors. But I do not consider Mercedes dead. Perhaps they have increased the power of their engine."
Former driver David Coulthard believes that Hamilton has been racing under pressure this season and offered a couple of examples that justify his take.
"There have been one or two incidents for Lewis and most of the time he got away with it," added Coulthard.
"I mean his runway off the gravel in Imola, for example, or the rubbing of the guardrail in Russia.
"Neither of them was gigantic action, but, for me, you can see something in them: he is under pressure."
Mark Webber also mentioned that the seven-time F1 champion is making notable mistakes that he didn't use to make before.
"We are having a phenomenal duel between Lewis and Max, but Hamilton's mistakes are already showing," noted Webber.
"Like in Baku or the strange behaviour before the restart in Hungary, when 19 drivers came in to change tires, and Hamilton was the only driver with intermediate tires from the start.
"For me, some of these errors are quite atypical for Lewis."

No doubt Lewis has made mistakes under pressure, I have never denied it. Infact I've called Lewis out on his brake magic mistakes...

This was to address the notion that is constantly brought up that max is a perfect driver immune to mistakes. And to address what Nico said about pressure on the lead driving being significantly more than the one who's behind.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The fact that Merc changed more Merc AMG PU than Red Bull Honda PU, suggests that Merc thinks that the Honda PU keeps its stamina better than the Merc AMG PU, and thus is of better build quality than the Merc testosterone powerhouse that runs out of breath quicker. As if it were an insecurity message to Mercedes AMG buyers: dear customer, with your new Mercedes you bought a strong car in the short term - however, for long term engine reliability you should have bought a car featuring a Honda engine...

Not going to change anything because in the real world MB cars are problematic compared to Hondas, even though one can argue they are apples to oranges.