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I have posted links to bmwusa and now, for your enjoyment, links to C&D for their instrumented tests http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pe-test-review http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review Their test results are in the lower right corner. (for everyone else bored with this back and forth) M6 Gran Coupe C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 8.0 sec Zero to 130 mph: 13.0 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.1 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec Standing ¼-mile: 11.9 sec @ 124 mph Top speed (governor limited): 160 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g M4 DCT Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 8.5 secc Zero to 130 mph: 14.5 sec Zero to 160 mph: 25.7 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.7 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.2 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.7 sec Standing ¼-mile: 12.0 sec @ 119 mph Top speed (governor limited): 163 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 150 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g So if I'm pointing to actual websites and not showing homemade youtube videos, how exactly is that immature? In short, looking at the above numbers how exactly does your car crush the M4 in a straight line?
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Let me say upfront that the B6, M6 and M6 GC are all great cars and I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm guessing weight will play a major factor as to which one is faster. The M6 is approximately 525 lbs less than the B6, while the M6 GC is approximately 350 less than the B6. The weight difference will affect both speed in a drag race and handling overall.
Having said all of that, the Audi RS7 is substantially faster off the line and for a quarter mile than the M6 GC. Does that mean another AWD tuned monster like the B6 would beat another monster, the M6 2-door coupe, in drag race? Who knows. The RS7 is 350 lbs lighter and has 20 more HP than the B6, but the B6 has slightly more lbs/ft of torque (24) than the RS7. Since M6 coupe is lighter than RS7 and has the same HP, but no AWD, it seems that it would be an interesting drag race b/w a B6 and M6 coupe. Here is a video of the RS7 vs. M6 GC for those of you who haven't seen this race. [u2b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P6a237AjLE[/u2b]
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I didn't watch the video... But if it's the one I'm thinking of.. It is a bit biased toward the RS7 due to the wet conditions... I'd like to see that race/test done with favorable road conditions..
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Yeah, I know the one you're talking about and it's not that one. I agree, the one with the wet pavement isn't really fair for a RWD car. I tried to post the video again. Here is the link:
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I really like this debates....
cmon my fcuking English is limited so i fcuking dont know what to talk back and bring up more details in my ways.... These argument got be finishing next few hours cuz i fcuking want a m6 or b6 now so fcuking confused ....i know someone will be a winner cuz this fcuking car b6 vs m6 is not the same car right,,,,,please bring more evidence and details demonstrate which one is better in many ways. Some dealership keeping call me get a car now...i said give me few hrs let i ask some friends which i never fcuking see them before Thanks alot |
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M6 Gran Coupe C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 8.0 sec Zero to 130 mph: 13.0 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.1 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec Standing ¼-mile: 11.9 sec @ 124 mph Top speed (governor limited): 160 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g M4 DCT Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 8.5 secc Zero to 130 mph: 14.5 sec Zero to 160 mph: 25.7 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.7 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.2 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.7 sec Standing ¼-mile: 12.0 sec @ 119 mph Top speed (governor limited): 163 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 150 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g I don't see anywhere in this info proves that M4 is faster than M6 in straight line! even in 5-60 rolling that you were concerned. Even if we accept these numbers and the fact that My M6 Coupe is lighter than M6GC (100-200 lb based on BMWNA website) then there is no specific result that M4 can be faster than M6... or lets say this way: There is no specific result that proves M6 Coupe is not faster than M4 or let's say this way: Everything shows that M6 Coupe is faster than M4 in straight line right? Then let's go back to this thread. Alpina B6! I posted different videos and none of them are home made! TFL (post#16) or Dragtime (post#17) are well-known websites and are not my close friends ; however you are right. That was B6 coupe and not B6GC. I stand corrected. Post #24 is PPPerformance website you can find here if you believe it's home made: https://www.facebook.com/PPPerformance?fref=photo Bottom line, I'm not gonna argue with you. The point that I was trying to make is that M6 is underrated by BMW. There are tons of evidences all over the place in this forum or internet that S63TU engine (M5/M6) is underrated by BMW and that's because BMW is not interested to participate in horse power war with this German masterpiece engine. Mercedes-Benz AMG does the same thing! All of their V8 engines (except C63) generate much more than 600HP but rated to 577 HP for S model and 550 HP for non S model. The actual power generated by S63tu is over 600 HP and the torque is over 550 lb-ft. 1. There are Dyno results (tons of them can be found in youtube) show about 520-540 HP at wheel which is reflected to over 600 at crank! 2. Dinan as a reliable and trustable tuner has measured the 618HP and 576 lb-ft of torque. You can double check it here: http://dinancars.com/product/d440-16...ries&mid=1172/ And please don’t say this is BS since Dinan performed the same test for 650i and measured 446 HP/510 lb-ft of torque which is almost what BMW claims for 650i (445/480) here : http://dinancars.com/product/d440-16...ries&mid=1179/ 3. Chicago based IND another well-known tuner measured 527 RWHP on F10 M5. You can see the result and read the article here: http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/09/10/dy...ated-527-rwhp/ 4. Using the simple online calculator with respect to C&D results of ¼ mile 11.9 @ 124 mph for M6GC ( the info you posted not mine) with estimated 4600lb weight (Car + Driver) proves the over 600 HP http://www.dragtimes.com/horsepower-...power+Estimate Hopefully you are convinced now, but if you still is not comfortable I can give you some information to do some research and calculation: The acceleration can be calculated by this formula: F - Fd -Frr= ma; where "m" is mass and "F" is force at wheels ( ie RWD or AWD). "Fd" is drag force and "Frr" is rolling resistance force can be calculated separately …I'm not gonna explain them here but can be searched: Rolling Resistance Force : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance Drag Force: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics) The Force at wheel can be calculated: F = TQ *gear ratio* axle ratio* (1-n) /wheel radial Where ” n” is drivetrain loss and “TQ” is torque at crank. You can find all data for calculation from these links: M6GC: http://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/new-vehic...ical-data.html B6GC: http://www.alpina-automobiles.com/en...81084e877033d9 Just keep in mind that today's AWD drivetrain loss is 15-20% and RWD drivetrain loss is 10-15% And I would like to add that DCT is faster than ZF8 and there is one gear changing in 0-60 race. Let's say 100-150 ms time saving for M6 over B6 and you know in a 3.7 second race how important this time is! Last thing is what you keep repeating about the info on BMW website. Not all information in any website is correct! Internet is a good source for information but not 100% reliable. For example the same page that shows 0-60 in 4.1 second: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx The BMWNA clearly mentions “Run-flat performance tire dimensions” … none of today’s M cars (M3/M4/M5/M6) are coming with Run Flat tires! Same thing about acceleration. Maybe it's incorrect on purpose! or maybe it’s normal launch (no MDM or DSC OFF or Launch Control)… Just do a search and go to M5Post and ask people. 3.5-3.6 second with launch Control is so easy for M6 if you know how to drive this car... I highly recommend you to do yourself a favor (or maybe do me a favor to finish this silly conversation ) and get behind the wheel of an M6... go to freeway, put the car in S3, drive at 40 mph in second gear and then floor the gas to see how powerful this car is and how she pushes you back and sinks in the seat. then go to a wide open area or big parking lot when nobody else is there. Turn the DSC OFF and floor the gas. You will realize what I'm talking about. M6 is not 650i! They are just sharing the same body and almost the same interior. That's all....Nice but breathless discussion Goodluck!
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Thank you for everyone sharing ideas and suggestions what i am really really appreciate your time here.....i did learn alot alot from what i had reading all days long from you talk back and forth between who right who wrong it dont matter...but time will answer all your thinking and learning I got it deal pic will come soon . |
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Again wrong - it is the Audi S7. As a BMW owner, it pains me that this car beats up on the M lineup so bad and that it turns in 0-60 and qtr mile times that are just unbelievable for the HP and Torque it is rated at. Topping it all off, it costs considerably less than the M5/M6/M6GC group of cars.
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Rolling start from 50mph. The M5 starts to pull away at about 9 seconds and has a car length at 12 seconds. Does anyone want to guess what speed that is at? Let's see a standing start please Now, something HAS been bothering me. I wrote this "Again wrong - it is the Audi S7. As a BMW owner, it pains me that this car beats up on the M lineup so bad and that it turns in 0-60 and qtr mile times that are just unbelievable for the HP and Torque it is rated at. Topping it all off, it costs considerably less than the M5/M6/M6GC group of cars. " THAT was immature. I should have written "Some would argue that the S7 is the best car you can buy for the money if you are looking for both sport and luxury". It has a 0-60 and qtr mile time that embarrasses cars costing $30K more. Others might argue the Tesla actually embarrasses both the S7 and M6. To each his own."
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I really can't believe you guys have argued for 2 pages about this. M4 is a nice car.....but it's just a bit bigger M3 in my book and I don't think any of us buy our cars because they are the fastest for the money (or else we would all buy Civics and put $20k into them and they would be faster than anything). However, the M6 is in a different league.....it's close to supercar status.
The S7 is a nice car, too.....faster than the M6 GC and CLS63.....but jeez....A7's are SO boring. A7's are dime a dozen in Chicago. Despite the fact it's $30k less and faster.....I still didn't even consider the S7 when I was looking (and I just came from a CLS and was bored of it.....those haven't caught on like the previous CLS bodystyle).
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0-130 in 13.0 vs 14.5 is another one...not enough? where you see in this standing starts that M3/M4 is faster than M5? Oh BTW, I'm impressed and shocked that you didn't call it "homemade video" LOL. Second: This video is taken in Europe and over there people use the metric system (SI). So the rolling start is 50km/h (31 mph) and not 50 mph! After 9 seconds both cars can reach about 180-190 km/h! I don't know how you could recognize 1 car length from that view! (you have good eyes sir ); but obviously M5 must have reached 200 km/h at the time walked away! So what's your point? Back to "M6 vs .." Now after M4 and B6 it's Tesla's and S7's turn lol... I think we will be ending up to bring all cars here until you find a good competitor for "M6" ... what's wrong with you with M6??? You have a 6er BMW which is a good car! why so much hate about M6??? Oh I know because it's a fast car Ok let's see what you have for us.... S7! first of all it's AWD... "to me" deal breaker! 420 HP/ 406 lb-ft torque 0-60 in 4.5 second !!! curb weight 4500 lb... No thanks my car has a lot more power and torque and 250 lb lighter and "FASTER". Oh S7 is really ugly (this is subjective of course).... I leave the link here since you believe in "none homemade links" http://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-s7 and your friends in C&D made some reviews about 2016 S7! http://www.caranddriver.com/audi/s7 450 HP/ 406 lb-ft of torque 0-60: 4.1 second 0-100: 9.7 second 1/4 mile : 12.4 second How this car beats up on M lineup so bad???? based on your numbers (C&D M4/M6) it's slower than entire current M lineup Furthermore, S7 is not even in M5/M6 Class...The M5/M6 competitor in Audi lineup is RS7 And in that link: Although Audi doesn’t use the "four-door coupe" nomenclature favored by some competitors, the S7 nevertheless butts heads with the BMW 650i xDrive Gran Coupe and the Mercedes-Benz CLS550 So maybe you need to compare S7 with your 650ixDrive GC "and not any M car" And Tesla... let's compare Tesla to i8 since that's different category. Currently we are talking about gasoline engine M cars
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