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      02-12-2012, 11:57 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Envyscorpio View Post
Wow... Someone is in a bad mood. Your reply is quite harsh considering you don't even know who you're replying to. Have you ever experienced fading on a track before?

I've been to most track on the west coast and been to Nurburgring. My experience with all my M cars are great but the brakes always fade on the track. I even faded them at BMW CCA autoxs... Good for you if your M performs better and brakes are fade free.

Please think twice before you start lecturing someone on physics. Plenty of engineers on this forum. You never know when you'll run into someone with a degree in Engineering on this forum

Fact is BMW cheap out on a 110k car (Costs much more in Europe and double in Asia). Or purposely doing this so people can upgrade to their BMW performance parts. Don't you think?

Oh and I happen to be supplying investment casting component to "much more" Porsche, BMW and VW but unfortunately no Kia. Kia can make a equally priced 135i like car if they want. But would you spend that much on a Kia? Don't know why you think Kia is much less than European cars.
I wasn't saying the brakes are adequate for track use...anyone who seriously tracks their car would replace them anyways, but for the intended customer the brakes are obviously engineered just fine. Adding extra pistons to the rear brakes would not help EITHER the track junkie OR the regular road user, it would only serve to appease people who love the bling factor of big brakes.

Those are the people I was going off on, because they drive me insane and this forum is full of them. Actual track cars absolutely need big brake kits, but I can't think of anyone who would look at a 4,000+lb, $100,000+ car and think of turning it into a track rat. If you want a track car, why start with something with so many luxuries?

On the point about BMW cheaping out so people go to Performance parts, I agree, but in a less cynical sense I would say they give us more choice. I can have the more hardcore car I want while someone else can have a car with brakes that are cheaper to replace, smaller, lighter, etc. instead of forcing every M6 buyer to have 18" carbon ceramic brakes with 10 pistons at each corner.
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