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      08-30-2012, 04:05 PM   #23
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I'm surprised the SL was actually lighter... I drove an '04 SL500 and that was a total boat!
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      08-30-2012, 04:16 PM   #24
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So let me get this straight. The BMW makes almost equal horsepower with a litre less of engine displacement. It has a better transmission and costs 30 000+$ less. It weighs more, lacks ceramic brakes and has 2 extra seats, which resulted in the BMW losing the comparison for lapping the track a second slower. Something seems off...
Totally agree.. plus they are so different to be compared, specifically on a track.

On another note, the new Merc looks much smaller than it's older model. It has become more of an SLK and lost much of its presence and elegance (such a toy-ish design). It doesn't justify its enormous price tag.. While the M6 has grown into a better 'all-rounder' monster and offers so much more value.. and elegance.

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      08-30-2012, 04:38 PM   #25
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1 - Wrong car, Dude! The BMW M6's counterpart is the Mercedes CL 63 AMG, with 2,135 tons. That should set the difference right...

2 - You "obviously" do not pull back the roof, so you can get better aerodynamics.

3 - This guy has no idea how to drive quickly around a closed track, obviously.

4 - And you don't smoke the tires in the first few laps like a braindead.

5 - Oh, and last time I looked, you can get ceramic brakes on your M6 too.


Epic Fail.
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      08-30-2012, 06:50 PM   #26
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Terrible comparo lol...all the facts were off and they are clearly not comparable cars. And to only win by 1s that's pathetic if you ask me. They took the Merc in with the ppk lmao... Now that's retarded.

Maybe Merc paid him lmao...
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      08-30-2012, 09:12 PM   #27
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How come the benz has so much more torque?
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      08-30-2012, 10:28 PM   #28
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Regardless of the track results, that M6 is GORGEOUS! I'd rather look at that in my garage over the Merc, for many years!!!
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      08-30-2012, 10:50 PM   #29
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And this wasn't compared to the CL63 for what reason?
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      08-31-2012, 01:26 AM   #30
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0-60 in 5.3 sec ?? LOL !
Yes, I'm sure he meant 4.3 seconds. I'm reasonably sure my E39 M5 and Z4 M coupe (love them though I do) are not faster than the F12 M6 cab!

Criticisms about the review are acknowledged and many accepted, but I hope BMW is listening in regards to the weight and size of their performance models.
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      08-31-2012, 02:01 AM   #31
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M6 still the winner hahaha !!!
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      08-31-2012, 06:54 AM   #32
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If I didn't need 4-ish seats or a fairly big trunk I'd be heavily swayed toward the SL too. But I think having both puts the M6 in a slightly different category. Not to mention all the technology I love in the car, which I think bests anything MB has.

Still enjoyed watching the comparo however. I am just doubling the SL time, since carrying more than 2 people would require two trips!
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      08-31-2012, 07:16 AM   #33
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The SL weighs 210kg less and has 120 NM more torque and still only beat the M6 by 1 second...I think that says tons about how capable the M6 cab is.
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      08-31-2012, 09:04 AM   #34
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He seems to have full traction on in the MB and not on in the BMW.

Go figure~!
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      08-31-2012, 09:38 AM   #35
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1. Incredible how he can speak so much while driving so intensively.


2. Tone of his voice is so calm (and no fun) when driving the Merc.
(Maybe because it was driven after the BMW so he got used to the torque.)


3. Both cars are just so beautiful gorgeous.
I know someone who works for the automotive press and those videos are edited quite a bit more than you would expect. For example it's highly likely that the times you see him driving the car and talking were not part of the actual time trial lap.
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      08-31-2012, 09:43 AM   #36
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Autoexpress puts two potent German convertibles to the test - the 2013 M6 Convertible (F12) against the 2013 Mercedes SL63 AMG.

On paper, the F12 M6 features a 4.4L V8 pushing 560hp/680 Nm torque [all specs], while the SL63 is powered by a 5.4L V8 with 556hp/800 Nm torque.

The 2013 M6 convertible carries an MSRP of $113,995 in the US, compared to the SL63's sticker price of $146,695. Watch Autexpress' impressions below.

How you could compare apples and oranges???
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      08-31-2012, 09:52 AM   #37
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Yes, I'm sure he meant 4.3 seconds. I'm reasonably sure my E39 M5 and Z4 M coupe (love them though I do) are not faster than the F12 M6 cab!

Criticisms about the review are acknowledged and many accepted, but I hope BMW is listening in regards to the weight and size of their performance models.
if he really said it by mistake then there's something that should have lit in his head to realize that the number he said bmw has overtook it since 12 years ago with its M cars.

and as for the weight i think bmw is free to setup it the way they want as long as its not affecting the over all performance of the car and as long as its better than the previous model (performance wise).

one thing i wish that BMW is listening to... we, BMW fans , want a SUPER/HYPER CAR that holds a BMW badge.
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      08-31-2012, 10:19 AM   #38
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Yes, I'm sure he meant 4.3 seconds. I'm reasonably sure my E39 M5 and Z4 M coupe (love them though I do) are not faster than the F12 M6 cab!

Criticisms about the review are acknowledged and many accepted, but I hope BMW is listening in regards to the weight and size of their performance models.
if he really said it by mistake then there's something that should have lit in his head to realize that the number he said bmw has overtook it since 12 years ago with its M cars.

and as for the weight i think bmw is free to setup it the way they want as long as its not affecting the over all performance of the car and as long as its better than the previous model (performance wise).

one thing i wish that BMW is listening to... we, BMW fans , want a SUPER/HYPER CAR that holds a BMW badge.
I do not agree. What the sense of a hipercar for every day use? I like BMWs as they are: ultimate DRIVING machines!
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      08-31-2012, 10:31 AM   #39
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Stupid test, the BMW weighs more because its a 4-seater...

Also... That MB is SO ugly...
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      08-31-2012, 10:55 AM   #40
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I do not agree. What the sense of a hipercar for every day use? I like BMWs as they are: ultimate DRIVING machines!
benz and audi have their supercars (r8, sls , slr) yet still have their other classes/series for everyday use ... i didn't at all mean to omit the 6 series and replace it with a super track car.
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at $150K... I would never consider the SL63... That is a completely different space. Not sure what Merc is thinking really. And at $200K I won't look at that SLS... so many other fun cars own that space.
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      08-31-2012, 11:43 AM   #42
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Yea, for that extra 30,000 grand, you can keep your extra second.
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I do not agree. What the sense of a hipercar for every day use? I like BMWs as they are: ultimate DRIVING machines!
benz and audi have their supercars (r8, sls , slr) yet still have their other classes/series for everyday use ... i didn't at all mean to omit the 6 series and replace it with a super track car.
An other good reason keeping its own way and not following MB or Audi. IMO if I could afford a R8 or a SLR I would never buy one of them but go directly to a Ferrari or Porsche dealer.
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And this wasn't compared to the CL63 for what reason?
Exactly...
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