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      07-17-2012, 09:36 AM   #23
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So why on Earth does the BMW weigh over 400 lbs more then the Benz? The Benz even has a hardtop for pete's sake....
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      07-17-2012, 10:10 AM   #24
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So why on Earth does the BMW weigh over 400 lbs more then the Benz? The Benz even has a hardtop for pete's sake....

The SL has an aluminum chassis.

BMW choose not to go the aluminum path but instead they choose carbon fiber for the future. Stronger, stiffer and lighter than aluminum.
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      07-17-2012, 10:10 AM   #25
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Don't forget the SL is 50k (euros) more than the M6.
It's clearly not a 50k better car.
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      07-17-2012, 10:15 AM   #26
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This is just a sign of things to come. Just wait until the coupe comparisons come out. Keep in mind that the coupe is much lighter than all it's competition accept for the Jag. It also accelerates faster and handles better than the convertible.....
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      07-17-2012, 10:27 AM   #27
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Similar comparison, but between the non-M/AMG versions:

http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=689895

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...nvertible.html
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      07-17-2012, 11:05 AM   #28
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World goes crazy MB faster thanj the bmw on a track, and weigh less
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      07-17-2012, 11:36 AM   #29
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In my opinion the 6-Series is not directly comparable to the SL. They are different cars. The SL is similar to a car such as Z8 not the 6er which is significantly bigger and heavier. The true competitor for it is indeed the CSL, not the CL either. If you exclude the doors they are very similar in concept. Of course now you have the 6 Series Gran Coupe to pit directly against but they are essentially the same car minus the doors.
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      07-17-2012, 12:02 PM   #30
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If this is not evidence enough that bmw has lost their way I don't know what is. So now the bmw is 200kg heavier than a mercedes and a bmw M is slower around a track! And the bmw finally has equal horsepower as a merc which never used to happen but they added 400 pounds extra while doing it. So so sad!

This is a perfect example of why someone would buy an M car over any of these? The M no longer offers anything unique or special. They all have big FI engines, deliver big horsepower and are big cars. The old M's atleast were usually lighter than competition, had a high revving NA motor and was fastest around a track. Now that these features are gone-why would you buy a bmw unless it is just brand loyalty or you can't afford an SL
I agree. It's kinda sad really.
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      07-17-2012, 12:14 PM   #31
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The CLS is a sedan, so I am assuming you mean the CL. Mercedes doesn't actually have a direct competitor to the 6 series. The E-Class Coupe/vert are are in a slightly lower market, and the CL is in a substantially higher market. The SL is simply the closest thing they have to the 6.





There may be more to the story than just the raw numbers.
I agree. I think that is why the M6 was ranked in first place. The fact that is was THAT close in spec despite being 50k less makes it a better choice. If I bought a car that was 50k more than a competitor, it has to be more than marginally better. If I was shopping these models, I would say "Show me why it's 50k higher, and not just slightly higher" since it's only slightly better.
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The BMW has passion tho.
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      07-17-2012, 12:44 PM   #33
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People are wondering how the SL is lighter than the 6 series? How about the fact that it's a 2 seater while the 6 seats 4...? I've seen the two side by side and the 6 is gigantic compared to the SL and they aren't competitors at all.

As someone already said, the Benz and BMW lineups don't always align to produce direct competitors, it is fair to compare the SL and 6 because they-re bought by some of the same people but you have to remember that they've always been different sizes and the 6 can carry four people.
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      07-17-2012, 01:04 PM   #34
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I find it very good that BMW is getting their ass kicked by the competition. I'm glad rival manufacturers are coming in lighter and faster, BMW has become arrogant with the record sales they have posted the last two years. A business cannot ignore their customers feedback, I don't know one BMW customer who is happy with the supersize models and M brand dilution.
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      07-17-2012, 01:06 PM   #35
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the sl63 should be first... less weight than the elephant m6 , unbelievable torque
disagree. m6 = gt coupe, sl = roadster; while in theory, these cars compete, i think in reality they don't.

kudos to bmw for delivering a car that performs that well given that it DOES weigh 200 kg more. Lap times are meaningless for convertibles, anyway.
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      07-17-2012, 01:14 PM   #36
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The BMW has passion tho.


let me guess, it has a soul and a heartbeat too, right?
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      07-17-2012, 01:23 PM   #37
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disagree. m6 = gt coupe, sl = roadster; while in theory, these cars compete, i think in reality they don't.

kudos to bmw for delivering a car that performs that well given that it DOES weigh 200 kg more. Lap times are meaningless for convertibles, anyway.
Can't agree more. If there's one thing about the "new" BMW is that despite their weight, they can still manufacturer something with impressive numbers. Considering and taking what the M6 really is, it does a very good job especially against a lighter roadster.
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      07-17-2012, 01:38 PM   #38
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I am sorry but the z8 is about a 1/3rd the size and is a small roadster. More like comparable to the slk AMG if you want to compare. This is the closest comparison they have. The 6 series is their coupe. Who cares if it has 2 backseats, that does not account for 400 pounds!! Seats maybe 40 pounds if that.
There is also a 12" difference in length and wheelbase, which is related to the seating capacity.
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I am sorry but the z8 is about a 1/3rd the size and is a small roadster. More like comparable to the slk AMG if you want to compare. This is the closest comparison they have. The 6 series is their coupe. Who cares if it has 2 backseats, that does not account for 400 pounds!! Seats maybe 40 pounds if that.

Like someone said the merc has a hard top for gods sakes to boot. Just not acceptable. I thought I would always be a bmw guy-Loved the pure performance they used to offer but I have to say sometimes it takes them getting bitch slapped back to reality for them to regain some of their original passion and get back on track
The Z8 has a length of 4400mm, the previous generation SL about 4500mm and the SLK 4000mm. The Z8 was a clear competitor to the SL, specs, engine, premium feel, price, etc. The SLK competes with the Z4.

The 6-series is heavier compared to the SL because it is simply bigger. Size-wise it is like comparing a 5 series to a 3 series (4600mm to 4900mm length). The 6er is not only bigger though, it has a different purpose altogether. It is a big GT while the SL is roadster. It's like comparing a 3-series convertible to a Mazda MX-5.

The closest thing to SL was the Lexus SC imo. Not quite as good obviously but similar philosophy.

I agree though, currently the 6er convertible is the closest thing BMW has to SL but they are still very different cars.
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The Z8 has a length of 4400mm, the previous generation SL about 4500mm and the SLK 4000mm. The Z8 was a clear competitor to the SL, specs, engine, premium feel, price, etc. The SLK competes with the Z4.

The 6-series is heavier compared to the SL because it is simply bigger. Size-wise it is like comparing a 5 series to a 3 series (4600mm to 4900mm length). The 6er is not only bigger though, it has a different purpose altogether. It is a big GT while the SL is roadster. It's like comparing a 3-series convertible to a Mazda MX-5.

The closest thing to SL was the Lexus SC imo. Not quite as good obviously but similar philosophy.

I agree though, currently the 6er convertible is the closest thing BMW has to SL but they are still very different cars.
Very well put....
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      07-17-2012, 03:52 PM   #41
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All the comments about Merc being better based on this Test are ridiculous. The BMW was right there in numbers at pretty much every test and yet it's 400lbs+ heavier and longer.

Sry, but Merc should have KILLED it with those stats and they barely beat it. Loss in my books.
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Electronics mostly. I don't know why they don't invest more in streamlining the systems and reducing their weight. I would love to know how much those seats weigh.
It's not the electronics, it's BMW's strange decision to drop many aluminium suspension bits from the last 5/6 for steel bits.
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It's not the electronics, it's BMW's cost-cutting/huge-profit decision to drop many aluminium suspension bits from the last 5/6 for steel bits.
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Should be the MB CL63 and not the SL63. Why are they even comparing a 4-seat GT to a 2-seat roadster?

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