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      04-11-2012, 12:28 PM   #23
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640i Coupe: $74,495
640i Gran Coupe: $76,895
640i Convertible: $81,995

650i Coupe: $83,895
650i Gran Coupe: $87,395
650i Convertible: $91,395

650i xDrive Coupe: $86,895
650i xDrive Gran Coupe: $90,395
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M6 Coupe: $106,995
M6 Gran Coupe: $110,995 ?
M6 Convertible: $113,995

Of course, if they give the M6 GC 580hp, they may use that to justify a higher MSRP. But I am a little skeptical that will come to pass. Or they could price the M6 GC ahead of the M6 Convertible just because they feel they can command that price, or by adding more standard equipment (standard carbon ceramic brakes would sure do it, eh?). But again, I don't think it will necessarily be.
This makes sense - didnt realize 6GC pricing was slotting b/t coupe and convertible right now. So it would prob cost 120K with some options (like CCB or bmw individual pkg), but it prob wouldn't need too many options as I imagine it would come with almost everything.

How much does a well-equipped CLS63 cost versus a panamera turbo?
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even if it's "only" $110K, that still 20K over the m5 or 22% price hike for a car that performs exactly the same (580 vs. 560 hp is a meaningless difference, a marketing ploy only).

I think u're right about alpina B7 being a dinosaur now, this has so much more style and performance at the same or less price.
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This makes sense - didnt realize 6GC pricing was slotting b/t coupe and convertible right now. So it would prob cost 120K with some options (like CCB or bmw individual pkg), but it prob wouldn't need too many options as I imagine it would come with almost everything.

How much does a well-equipped CLS63 cost versus a panamera turbo?
A CLS63 loaded with performance package and everything else is about $110K. So it will be about the same price as the starting M6 GC price, which actually isn't bad considering the CLS63 needs the performance package to get to 550HP but that also comes with 590 torque!

I have a feeling the CLS63 with performance package and M6 GC will be head on competition, but the CLS can be had for $10K less if you don't get the performance package or LSD, nothing you can do to get a M6 GC for less money... So for those getting them loaded the M6 will probably win, for someone who just can't spend over $100K then the CLS will be the car purchased (or M5)
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Remember too, the current E class coupe and convertible are sort of quasi-E class citizens. They are still based on a C/E mashup like the CLK was to my knowledge, and so they are actually a bit smaller than the E class sedan and thus also smaller than the 6 series. This is why Mercedes has priced them below the E class sedan for an equivalent model designation. This situation has sort of forced Mercedes to price the CLS down a bit so as not to leave this huge gap that they must explain away when trying to pitch the CLS value equation. It also means that the new C coupe and E coupe are now bumping into each other from a segmentation perspective.

BMW, on the other hand, roped people into paying a large premium for the 6 when it debuted last generation, not least by providing some very distinctive (if controversial) styling vs. it's sedan sibling. This allows BMW to position the 6 Gran Coupe where Mercedes can only dream of with the CLS. They offer a V8 model at the price of the BMW 6 cylinder, but don't think this is out of pure charity - they will rectify this as soon as they are able. We could mention Audi as well with no large coupe or convertible at all to bracket the A7/S7.

In a few years when the next E class is revealed, expect the E coupe and convertible to break out a bit (though probably still very conservative), sit on the E platform, grow in size, and command higher prices. This will then allow them to apply a higher premium to the CLS as well.

My point here is that the BMW 6 series range looks a bit steep now, but it has been this way against the E coupe/cab and CLK before it, so nothing is new with the 6 GC. And, in conjunction, don't expect to see Mercedes sit back now that they have the entry C coupe and just let the E class lineup (incl. CLS) sit down market.
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640i Coupe: $74,495
640i Gran Coupe: $76,895
640i Convertible: $81,995

650i Coupe: $83,895
650i Gran Coupe: $87,395
650i Convertible: $91,395

650i xDrive Coupe: $86,895
650i xDrive Gran Coupe: $90,395
650i xDrive Convertible: $94,395

M6 Coupe: $106,995
M6 Gran Coupe: $110,995 ?
M6 Convertible: $113,995

Of course, if they give the M6 GC 580hp, they may use that to justify a higher MSRP. But I am a little skeptical that will come to pass. Or they could price the M6 GC ahead of the M6 Convertible just because they feel they can command that price, or by adding more standard equipment (standard carbon ceramic brakes would sure do it, eh?). But again, I don't think it will necessarily be.
Nice pricing chart, I think you hit that just right on your projected M6GC pricing as well as the 20hp power increase that overcomes the additional weight as BMW put it.
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How much does a well-equipped CLS63 cost versus a panamera turbo?
Keep in mind a Panamera Turbo has only 500hp, though from testing it appears that it will accelerate faster than an M5 (and presumably an M6 GC by extension) anyway. Still, unlike Mercedes with the small price bump for 50hp more, Porsche will ask you to move to a Turbo S with an MSRP of $170k+. With the obligatory Porsche barrage of options you can reach $200k.

Of course, it is one uncommonly fast and composed GT. BMW will be 90%+ performance for one M3 less price.
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People are going to pay an EXTRA 30k for what is in essence just a cosmetic overhaul on top of the M5?

I have a hard time seeing that.
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People are going to pay an EXTRA 30k for what is in essence just a cosmetic overhaul on top of the M5?

I have a hard time seeing that.
You don't expect the 6 Series Gran Coupe to sell well either then?

Also, why do people pay so much more for a 6 Series Coupe vs. a 5 Series Sedan for a cosmetic overhaul that also costs them two doors in the process? You don't think we can throw the doors back into the deal and ask for just a couple thousand more for the trouble?
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You don't expect the 6 Series Gran Coupe to sell well either then?

Also, why do people pay so much more for a 6 Series Coupe vs. a 5 Series Sedan for a cosmetic overhaul that also costs them two doors in the process? You don't think we can throw the doors back into the deal and ask for just a couple thousand more for the trouble?
I dont expect the M6GC to sell well either, and I dont think the pricing chart listed above is correct. While the non-Ms may follow that path, BMW has consistently said the M6GC will be top of the line M, the flagship so to speak, so it will be the most expensive. If it is true that it will have the additional bump in power, that will justify the MSRP higher than the M6cabrio to begin with. Also, they may package the car with additional special options and individual features which may further increase the list prices.

Regarding the comments on the 6er coupe vs 5er sedan, these are different cars, and much more than just cosmetic and two less doors. The M6 is a more agile car, and drives much better than the M5 with a much more agressive tune that cannot be overlooked. It weighs less and is better proportioned. In terms of egonomics, its no comparison, the M6 is designed to wrap around the driver while the M5 is basic in its layout design. They are complete different cars. However, talking about the GC, that is where you get things turned around again. This is more comparable to the 5er, than the 6er, imo. The GC is heavier, longer, and wider than both 5er and 6er, so it will be less agile regardless of any increase in power. The question that will be asked and why I note that the M6GC will not be a high volume norhigh sales car, is that when you compare it to the M5, you may be paying $25K-30K+ for the design and further exclusivity, though less agility. That is not a winning formula, and while it may look very nice in pix, the GC is a large car, and the question would always become, if you need room for 4, why not get an M5 much cheaper, and if you only need room for 2, then the M6 should be the choice. I think BMW is only fighting themselves for sales here, but time will tell.
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I dont expect the M6GC to sell well either,
I will suggest that you may want to prepare to be proven wrong. Not that there is much preparation to do for that in general.

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and I dont think the pricing chart listed above is correct. While the non-Ms may follow that path...
Regarding the 6 Series, it is all straight from BMW bro. No need for the "may" unless you are taking up an argument with the mothership. Feel free to do so if you think it prudent.

The M6 coupe and convertible prices are also correct. The M6 GC is obviously my guess. I'll bet I'm right, but if I am wrong it will be for any of the reasons I already suggested as disclaimers in my post and you merely reiterated in your follow-up. There is really nothing more to debate about that, but thanks for your comments.

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Regarding the comments on the 6er coupe vs 5er sedan, these are different cars, and much more than just cosmetic and two less doors.
They are no different than a 5 and 6GC, other than the lack of the two doors as I already mentioned. Again, throwing the two doors back in will absolutely not kill the success of the M6 GC by any reasonable deduction. You will see this pan out soon.

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If that is the truth, and it may well be, then the M6 GC will almost surely feature the same improvements as well. They will not remove content from the GC vs. the coupe simply because it has more doors.

The M6 GC will weigh slightly more than an M6 coupe and less than an M6 convertible. No argument there. And it will thus be no less an M6 than the convertible is today and has always been, and no less deserving of the price premium for its added content vs. the coupe than the convertible commands successfully today. The whole picture is quite clear to me, and the whole program seems very well thought out and put together. People who are doubting the success of this product lineup might just have personal reasons for doing so, but then again maybe not. In any case, I would suggest those people not take their bets to Vegas, because you will be throwing away great money that could otherwise have been put toward a new M6, or perhaps some other BMW or luxury car more to your liking.
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640i Coupe: $74,495
640i Gran Coupe: $76,895
640i Convertible: $81,995

650i Coupe: $83,895
650i Gran Coupe: $87,395
650i Convertible: $91,395

650i xDrive Coupe: $86,895
650i xDrive Gran Coupe: $90,395
650i xDrive Convertible: $94,395

M6 Coupe: $106,995
M6 Gran Coupe: $110,995 ?
M6 Convertible: $113,995

Of course, if they give the M6 GC 580hp, they may use that to justify a higher MSRP. But I am a little skeptical that will come to pass. Or they could price the M6 GC ahead of the M6 Convertible just because they feel they can command that price, or by adding more standard equipment (standard carbon ceramic brakes would sure do it, eh?). But again, I don't think it will necessarily be.
I hope the pricing structure will remain within this pattern. That would be so SWEET!!!! I would definitely consider the M6 GC over the M5. What an awesome car. Going to the NY auto show tomorrow to check out the M6's!!! Love that coupe'.
$20k more or a car that may or may not look better than the M5???

BMW said it right when it was made for the US market.

Waste of money, sorry.
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Keep in mind a Panamera Turbo has only 500hp, though from testing it appears that it will accelerate faster than an M5 (and presumably an M6 GC by extension) anyway. Still, unlike Mercedes with the small price bump for 50hp more, Porsche will ask you to move to a Turbo S with an MSRP of $170k+. With the obligatory Porsche barrage of options you can reach $200k.

Of course, it is one uncommonly fast and composed GT. BMW will be 90%+ performance for one M3 less price.
+1 on your e-coupe analysis. That car is a complete joke - just a stop gap replacement for the old CLK. It is actually more C than E, and considering there is a C coupe now, that just makes the E coupe more of a joke.

I don't think the M6 GC competes with the Turbo S, I think it competes with the "base" Turbo for the exact reasons u mentioned. PDK is the best double clutch in biz, plus the porsche AWD is hard to beat performance wise.
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I dont expect the M6GC to sell well either, and I dont think the pricing chart listed above is correct. While the non-Ms may follow that path, BMW has consistently said the M6GC will be top of the line M, the flagship so to speak, so it will be the most expensive. If it is true that it will have the additional bump in power, that will justify the MSRP higher than the M6cabrio to begin with. Also, they may package the car with additional special options and individual features which may further increase the list prices.

Regarding the comments on the 6er coupe vs 5er sedan, these are different cars, and much more than just cosmetic and two less doors. The M6 is a more agile car, and drives much better than the M5 with a much more agressive tune that cannot be overlooked. It weighs less and is better proportioned. In terms of egonomics, its no comparison, the M6 is designed to wrap around the driver while the M5 is basic in its layout design. They are complete different cars. However, talking about the GC, that is where you get things turned around again. This is more comparable to the 5er, than the 6er, imo. The GC is heavier, longer, and wider than both 5er and 6er, so it will be less agile regardless of any increase in power. The question that will be asked and why I note that the M6GC will not be a high volume norhigh sales car, is that when you compare it to the M5, you may be paying $25K-30K+ for the design and further exclusivity, though less agility. That is not a winning formula, and while it may look very nice in pix, the GC is a large car, and the question would always become, if you need room for 4, why not get an M5 much cheaper, and if you only need room for 2, then the M6 should be the choice. I think BMW is only fighting themselves for sales here, but time will tell.
Point well taken but on the other hand consumers- especially U.S. consumers have an undeniable thirst for unique and different......

Everyone, and I mean everyone thought the Panamera was ugly and a waste of money and yet no one doubts it now and sales are booming.

Why? A big part of it is uniqueness and the cachet that comes from that.

And a 6-series with 4 doors is VERY unique. This exclusivity alone will ensure it will have no problem from a sales perspective.

Still, 125-135K for an M6GC is a weeeee bit of a stretch.


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I personally love the m6 coupe but the thought of having two extra doors on the gc m6 to me is for people who want to coupe feeling with a four door sedan practicality, I won't always have to let people In and out, it's convenient and unique at the same time (the best of both worlds)..
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