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      02-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #45
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You seem to really like your E63 M6...so why not keep it and enjoy it?

I for one am also in the market, and I have been waiting to see the F12 M6 and I have fallen in love. Look at my signature, I used to own a 2008 M6 just like you. But I NEVER loved the look, I loved the power and the sound and I obviously liked the car in order to buy it. But I dont think there is a comparision between the looks here, but thats all personal preference anyways!
I do luv the M6, but as ive been driving this body style for more than 7 1/2 years now in the 2 models, Im just looking for something different. The most fun about thet M6 is that its a streetlegal race car, the problem with the M6 is that you want to drive it like its a race car on the street each day.

If the car was more dymanic, I could probably get passed the looks, but since its just moving up market to be more lux before sport, i think there are better options from the roundel for my needs/desires at this point in time.
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      02-14-2012, 12:10 PM   #46
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thought they were using turbos to increase fuel consumption? Well it looks like the fuel consumption is 5 mpg lower than the v10...
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thought they were using turbos to increase fuel consumption? Well it looks like the fuel consumption is 5 mpg lower than the v10...
yes its actually a big scam ofcourse. Real world consumption of the nonM N63 has shown similiar results where they return no better results than the NA V8. And stories from those that own the x m trucks tell of horror consumption, so there is no reason to believe that the ttv8 will result in any better consumption when driven the same way that you would with the mighty S85.

This decision was about politics and marketing, and BMW has now gotten to charge a premium for an engine that is shared between so many car lines, they get scale and we get shafted of what once made ///M what it really was all about, motorsport and NA power...but the story is over, atleast in this chapter of the book, the greenies won out and now ALL BMWs are turbo based, who could have imagined it
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I like everything about the new M6 except its front, especially headlines. They are so .. blaaah. The old M6... you see that thing in rear view mirror and you let it pass. It's got presence. This thing - meh.. Rear of course looks great (concept CS and all) but yeah, front whcih to me is like 50% of car's design is very poor and boring, toyota'ish.
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Never liked the previous m6. New one is like a different car. I would totally buy it if I could. The interior is amazing.
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Am I the only one who likes the previous M6 more?
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Reading this Thread, I believe others have expressed their preference for the E60 series although they may, myself included be in the minority.

The vocal majority that are bantering around subjective statements as if they were fact are only showing their ignorance to objectively analysing the data by doing so.
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      02-14-2012, 04:16 PM   #53
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As the owner of a 10 M6 I think the new one looks better in every single way. The only thing I think the E63 M6 will ever have to hold over the new one is the insane sound of the V10.
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As the owner of a 10 M6 I think the new one looks better in every single way. The only thing I think the E63 M6 will ever have to hold over the new one is the insane sound of the V10.
Watching video's of the new M5 on youtube there has been considerable negative comment by motoring journalists concerning the inferior exhaust note and sound levels of the S63.

From what I have seen, I would totally agree.

Maybe you will be able to modify the exhaust system to wake things up a bit, I am sure the aftermarket companies will have many products on offer that will regain some of the former S85's bark but realistically probably not all.
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Am I the only one who likes the previous M6 more?
not the only one
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Watching video's of the new M5 on youtube there has been considerable negative comment by motoring journalists concerning the inferior exhaust note and sound levels of the S63.

From what I have seen, I would totally agree.

Maybe you will be able to modify the exhaust system to wake things up a bit, I am sure the aftermarket companies will have many products on offer that will regain some of the former S85's bark but realistically probably not all.
the new M5 is completely muted, except for some gear shift 'farts' as it has been described. The interior is completely silent, except for the fake engine soundtrack that bmw has added as a "feature". You'll need to go to Akra for an exhaust if you want any reasonable sound, bmw even featured it on one of the press cars at an event in the recent past.

Part of the enjoyment of the S85 is the sound, which is intoxicating, and heat warming, you cannot take it away and expect a similar driving experience, i do hope they learn and tune the new m6 more agressive just like they did with the e63 M6 (and please dont add that active fake sound crap!)
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First of all... The new M6 looks so hard. I couldn't stand the back of the previous model. They new one has a much cleaner look from the back.

Second, 680 torque!? That is insane. Dealer gave me a 335 diesel loaner car that breaks the tires loose on most surfaces. I can't imagine trying to keep the tires from spinning on the new 6.

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the new M5 is completely muted, except for some gear shift 'farts' as it has been described. The interior is completely silent, except for the fake engine soundtrack that bmw has added as a "feature". You'll need to go to Akra for an exhaust if you want any reasonable sound, bmw even featured it on one of the press cars at an event in the recent past.

Part of the enjoyment of the S85 is the sound, which is intoxicating, and heat warming, you cannot take it away and expect a similar driving experience, i do hope they learn and tune the new m6 more agressive just like they did with the e63 M6 (and please dont add that active fake sound crap!)
I agree.

I would think that the F12 M6 will sound like the F10 M5, so we are in for a disappointment for those who like a decent amount of angry and brutal engine noise rather than dulled out turbo hiss.

BMW know this and the very inclusion of the 'Active Sound Design' technology could be said by some to be a self admission of their mechanical exhaust sound failure with this new engine.

In my opinion this is such a shockingly silly feature to have to invent in order to cover up a basic problem that could have been solved in more conventional ways.
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Sales numbers tell the truth.

While wet dream comments on message boards and youtube are fun to read, they do not translate into sales. At the end of the day, the ultimate test will be sales. As a former M6 owner/lessee, currently in the market for a replacement for an SL, my opinion of the new car, after giving it some consideration, is that BMW erred in dropping the NA V10 in favor of the TT V8. Combined with other important factors, it may prove to be tough to sell these in any significant numbers. Will be interesting to see in some years down the road what the total sales numbers will be for the new model cars compared to the E63. Time will tell.
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The new M6 is way better than the older one but the sound of the V10 is way better than the new V8. I personally don't like Turbo-charged engines but we're forced to accept the fact.
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The only fact you have to accept is that BMW cannot make you buy one if you do not want to.
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I relate to what you are saying about dropping the V10 for the turbo V8, and other factors (such as the heavier chassis shared with the 7 series, perhaps).

But I think to expect any sort of sales decline (and I am not saying you are), would be to place too much importance on what some hard-core enthusiasts clamour for, and miss what really drives the market for these cars. The fact of the matter is that the sharper looks (subjective, yes, but most will agree), the better fuel economy, the better straight line performance, and more refined gearbox, will add up to a successful product.

Remember too, that the economy was down through a big part of the E6x M lineup's lifespan. But even if that was not a factor, I don't think the E6x generation of M cars would stand any chance of racking up a higher sales tally than the the new F1x M lineup.

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While wet dream comments on message boards and youtube are fun to read, they do not translate into sales. At the end of the day, the ultimate test will be sales. As a former M6 owner/lessee, currently in the market for a replacement for an SL, my opinion of the new car, after giving it some consideration, is that BMW erred in dropping the NA V10 in favor of the TT V8. Combined with other important factors, it may prove to be tough to sell these in any significant numbers. Will be interesting to see in some years down the road what the total sales numbers will be for the new model cars compared to the E63. Time will tell.
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I relate to what you are saying about dropping the V10 for the turbo V8, and other factors (such as the heavier chassis shared with the 7 series, perhaps).

But I think to expect any sort of sales decline (and I am not saying you are), would be to place too much importance on what some hard-core enthusiasts clamour for, and miss what really drives the market for these cars. The fact of the matter is that the sharper looks (subjective, yes, but most will agree), the better fuel economy, the better straight line performance, and more refined gearbox, will add up to a successful product.

Remember too, that the economy was down through a big part of the E6x M lineup's lifespan. But even if that was not a factor, I don't think the E6x generation of M cars would stand any chance of racking up a higher sales tally than the the new F1x M lineup.
Time will certainly tell on this, but I cant see this new model surpassing the e63 M6 in terms of total sales. Im sorry but you have to understand how few of these cars have actually been sold. In the 2008 model year which I believe was the highpoint for sales, there was something like 1100 M6 coupes sold world wide! This is a low volume car to begin with, and the S85 made the car desirable. If you dont believe that people bought the car specifically to own a BMW V10, I would think you are mistaken. It is what gave it the special something that the new engine will never be able to recreate. And with a 20%+ increase in price relative to the models, you bring the car into another segment which much more competition.

You see, in the e63, fully loaded and out the door(incl taxes) you were already over $120K, even in the rought times when you could have negotated $10K off, one still payed well over $100K for the loaded car. And in this realm, it was nearly by itself in that you can get an exclusive car with a V10, no one else in the world had a car speced or priced close to it.

Now bring that to $140K-$150K in the new model, even if you get to the point where you can knock off $10K, you're still in the serious money realm where there are a number of other options for near supercars. This M6 will have alot more competition, and I dont see it winning because I do believe there is a glass ceiling when we're speaking about the BMW purchaser. I dont think a person buying $130K+ cars is necssarily a person that looks towards BMW, a company that also sells $30K cars. I think it has alot to do with status in this realm, and in all reality, only a very very few enthusiasts in the world would ever know that my M6 was so expensive, let alone that the new one would cost perhaps 140K+, and I think that many people that buy cars in this realm do it as status and want people to know the car that they are driving is very expensive.

We shall see
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You make some fair points - higher price being one - but ultimately, I remain convinced that the F1x M6 will outsell the the E6x model by a wide margin.

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I think the new M6 looks visually nicer Than the old M6
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