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      02-13-2012, 06:02 PM   #23
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Unfortunately as someone that has owned the e63 in two version since 2005, I have to call this a fail. I owned the 645ci for 3+ years, and now the M6 for 3+ years, and this is uninspiring, and the front end looks way too much like the F01 for my liking. As BMWs target audience, they lost my sale. And just as big of a concern as the design fail, is the overall size increase and weight increase, the e63 M6 was already big, and perhaps bigger than necessary, but adding yet an additional 308lb to the coupe means that this is even a bigger porker than mine, so thats another move in the wrong direction.
Add in the engine fail, and you have the trifacta, fail all around BMW, thanks for killing my M6!
Hey, you may be right since you've actually owned one and driven one. In terms of overall experience, I think it's a no-brainer. As for performance? I look at it the way reviewers compared the F10 M5 to the E60. the E60 was special (V10) but the F10 is so much more sophisticated/refined and t the same time you don't lose all that performance. I'm sure the F12 will review to something similar.
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Power-to-weight ratio (DIN - kg/kw) 4.6 4.5
New car is obviously more appealing, BUT

-no difference in power to weight ratio and
-150kg more
-much worse throttle response
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Was never much of a fan of the previous gen. It's nice, just not my cup of tea. The new one is downright amazing though.
You are absolutely right!
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      02-13-2012, 06:47 PM   #27
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Very much like the newer one, never was a fan of the old. Still not a huge fan of the front headlights on the F12, but need to see it in person.

Yes the weight increase is disappointing, but the power/weight ratio is a bit better plus consumption is way down.
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Day and night difference. The old one is ugly.
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The new ones brilliantly capture the spirit of the original. And still be able to evolve into the new BMW styling. I think once again, BMW did a great join in refreshing the 6er.
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Never thought I'd prefer another 6er to the E63, but I really cannot get enough of the F12. Not crazy about the steering wheel design, but that's too minor to put me off. I love how it's agressive, yet still quite beautiful. This is close to DB9 brilliance. Great job guys.
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To me the old E60 series has the better engine and I don't mind the styling at all. If I was in the market for a new vehicle I would be chasing the best run-out deal I could get on one before they are all gone.

Sure, I am keen to see the new model in the showroom like everyone else.

Turbo engines do not impress me, even if more powerful. BMW could have raised the capacity of the S65 to keep development moving forward and still be way ahead of the competition for many years to come.

There are other performance car manufacturers that have not given into forced induction in the name of fuel economy and horsepower.
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The old M6 looks like a ugly duckling compared to this new one.

Never a fan of the old 6. I tried to like it (huge bmw fanatic) but it simply doesn't look like any other bmw ever made (bad thing imo)

This new one is beautiful

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Unfortunately as someone that has owned the e63 in two version since 2005, I have to call this a fail. I owned the 645ci for 3+ years, and now the M6 for 3+ years, and this is uninspiring, and the front end looks way too much like the F01 for my liking. As BMWs target audience, they lost my sale. And just as big of a concern as the design fail, is the overall size increase and weight increase, the e63 M6 was already big, and perhaps bigger than necessary, but adding yet an additional 308lb to the coupe means that this is even a bigger porker than mine, so thats another move in the wrong direction.
Add in the engine fail, and you have the trifacta, fail all around BMW, thanks for killing my M6!
Fair enough, but I'm someone who drove an E63 M6 with SMG and walked away unimpressed. The E60 M5 remains to this day one of the most shockingly fun cars I have ever driven, but the M6 didn't impress me the same way especially since the convertible was so much heavier. For me, the new car looks infinitely better (I like the presence and overall style of the old one, but almost all of the styling details strike me as ugly. The new one is a grand slam in my book) and it has way more punch in the midrange so while BMW may have lost your sale, they have gained mine. In theory, anyways, I'm not going to be in the market.
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I like everything except the fact that the new one is heavier
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The front end of the new is way more aggressive than the old.... Yet,
The rear of the old is more aggressive than the new... IMO.
All bimmers are getting bigger and heavier :/
Regardless, it's a beautiful new ///M!
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Fair enough, but I'm someone who drove an E63 M6 with SMG and walked away unimpressed. The E60 M5 remains to this day one of the most shockingly fun cars I have ever driven, but the M6 didn't impress me the same way especially since the convertible was so much heavier. For me, the new car looks infinitely better (I like the presence and overall style of the old one, but almost all of the styling details strike me as ugly. The new one is a grand slam in my book) and it has way more punch in the midrange so while BMW may have lost your sale, they have gained mine. In theory, anyways, I'm not going to be in the market.
yes, many people who merely test drove an SMG and did not understand how it works have noted similar feelings, however, I can say with 100% certainty that if you enjoy shifting manually and having serious power under your control, you will love SMG. I would not choose any other transmission over it if it was up to me. But no point in going down that road, the tech has changed, and now there is the refinement that DCT has brought, and that is that. Its not at all as engaging as SMG, but since BMW has already given up to the edginess for the refinement, the DCT fits the new motto much better. Its unfortunate that you are using the cabrio as your benchmark though as that is not the car to test to get the full effect of the M6. It was an overweight from the beginning, nearly 400lbs or more than my coupe, which is significant and completely changes the cars dynamics.

Looks are ofcourse subjective, and unfortunately in my eyes this new car does not look engaging, and Im completely unimpressed with the direction its taken in this model as its move even further from its roots in the e24 to now a car thats so big and unrecongnizable.

So in reality, while many on this thread comment how much they love the looks, Im not sure if any of those that have commented are actually in the market for this type of car, but I am actually in the market right now and had been awaiting this redesign to make a decision on what comes next, and unfortunately for bmw and m, it will not be an M5 nor an M6, so bmw has lost my real sale, but have not picked up your imaginary one, and that is not a good business proposition for them.
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I like everything except the fact that the new one is heavier
Unless you plan on tracking the car, why does this matter? Some people have mentioned that it is heavier but MOST of these people have probably never done a track day... And some of those will probably never see one with this car (even if they do get one)..
It also has more hp than the previous Gen. M6 so, it's carrying the added weight with the added hp...
Also, with the tuning that was done on the M5 recently, 620hp isn't too far off, at minimal $$$
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yes, many people who merely test drove an SMG and did not understand how it works have noted similar feelings, however, I can say with 100% certainty that if you enjoy shifting manually and having serious power under your control, you will love SMG. I would not choose any other transmission over it if it was up to me. But no point in going down that road, the tech has changed, and now there is the refinement that DCT has brought, and that is that. Its not at all as engaging as SMG, but since BMW has already given up to the edginess for the refinement, the DCT fits the new motto much better. Its unfortunate that you are using the cabrio as your benchmark though as that is not the car to test to get the full effect of the M6. It was an overweight from the beginning, nearly 400lbs or more than my coupe, which is significant and completely changes the cars dynamics.

Looks are ofcourse subjective, and unfortunately in my eyes this new car does not look engaging, and Im completely unimpressed with the direction its taken in this model as its move even further from its roots in the e24 to now a car thats so big and unrecongnizable.

So in reality, while many on this thread comment how much they love the looks, Im not sure if any of those that have commented are actually in the market for this type of car, but I am actually in the market right now and had been awaiting this redesign to make a decision on what comes next, and unfortunately for bmw and m, it will not be an M5 nor an M6, so bmw has lost my real sale, but have not picked up your imaginary one, and that is not a good business proposition for them.
You seem to really like your E63 M6...so why not keep it and enjoy it?

I for one am also in the market, and I have been waiting to see the F12 M6 and I have fallen in love. Look at my signature, I used to own a 2008 M6 just like you. But I NEVER loved the look, I loved the power and the sound and I obviously liked the car in order to buy it. But I dont think there is a comparision between the looks here, but thats all personal preference anyways!
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the old m6 looks sad compare to the new one. New M6 all the way!
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