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      02-13-2012, 02:05 PM   #67
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I think you are confusing the Gran Coupe with the Gran Turismo.
It is almost certain the US will see a 4er Gran Coupe but with reaction to the 5er GT ,BMW might see no reason to import a 3er GT.

That is a mentality that several of you have to reconsider. BMW make automobiles to satisfy enthusiasts in a global market. There is no longer any more specifics. It is now a global market and global demands reflect the product options.
I think you two are saying the same thing, Scott He is convinced that the 4-series GC is coming to the US, and you are reaffirming the point.

In terms of timing, when will the F35/6 be revealed relative to the F32? And what about the F85/6? When will it be revealed relative to the F82?

Lastly, can you tell us whether or not the F14M will have the same double-bubble style roof as the F12M? If so, will that styling cue trickle down to the F82 and F85/6?
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manual tranny in the M5/M6 come to mind....
Ah yes, that is true. While we were the only ones to receive the manual versions, we have also been deprived in the past like with the engine in the E36 M3. That's not really an issue now, unless someone in the US is wanting something like the new M550d.
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I think you are confusing the Gran Coupe with the Gran Turismo.
It is almost certain the US will see a 4er Gran Coupe but with reaction to the 5er GT ,BMW might see no reason to import a 3er GT.

That is a mentality that several of you have to reconsider. BMW make automobiles to satisfy enthusiasts in a global market. There is no longer any more specifics. It is now a global market and global demands reflect the product options.
Thanks very much for the confirm Scott. I have the same understanding that you had here so apprecite the info
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I think you two are saying the same thing, Scott He is convinced that the 4-series GC is coming to the US, and you are reaffirming the point.
BMW will import the Gran Coupe 4er to North America.

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In terms of timing, when will the F35/6 be revealed relative to the F32? And what about the F85/6? When will it be revealed relative to the F82?
You are looking at a period of about twelve to eighteen months, possibly a year for the M variant. M6 Gran Coupe for example arrives this time next year.

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Lastly, can you tell us whether or not the F14M will have the same double-bubble style roof as the F12M? If so, will that styling cue trickle down to the F82 and F85/6?
The M6 Coupe and Convertible are Segler cars - meaning, like the 1M Coupe they were conceived under the leadership of Dr. Kay Segler .
Each M Division boss leaves their signature on each vehicle and with the M6 Coupe and Convertible you can see the genes of the 1M Coupe.

The M3 and M4 although started early development under Dr. Segler. The M3 and M4 are now being continued by the new M manager Dr. Friedrich Nitschke so it is his signature that will feature on these cars. Each M leaves a distinctive template and always tries to bring something new whether in a appearance , engineering or material or sometimes a new model for a new segment like the 1M or the forthcoming X4M which is something BMW has never offered before - A high performance activity vehicle in the entry segment and also a key area for growth in the entry performance segment.

The M6 for example is a distinctive car for a highly distinctive segment.
And also allows the transition for the M Brand to have the Core M models bookended by the M Performance cars.
Whereas the M3 and M4 is the entry segment's sports car so the overall look will commence with a fine balance between evolutionary and revolutionary in both appearance, material technology and engineering. It cannot just be a shrunken down M6, it has to have its own identity and in the case of the M4 even more so.
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This is RIDONCULOUS!! Here in Australia, you have to fork out at least $200,000 for this car. You guys have it lucky with such a strong bulk purchasing power from the economy. For the same price I'm stuck with a 1 series coupe D:
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You are looking at a period of about twelve to eighteen months, possibly a year for the M variant. M6 Gran Coupe for example arrives this time next year.
As usual, thanks for being so forthcoming, Scott. So the reveal and launch dates of the F35/6 will trail the F32's respective dates by 12-18 months, and another 12 months on top of those for the F85/6. So it'll be a while. I seem to recall that the window between the F12 reveal and the F14 reveal was significantly shorter than 12-18 months, or am I wrong?

As for the roofline of the F82 and F85/6, I certainly hope you do something as aggressive as the F12M, if not more so given that those cars are aimed at a younger demographic than the F12M.

By the way, what is the chassis designation of the 4-series GC? F35 or F36?
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This will cost around usd 250k in malaysia.
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      02-22-2012, 08:34 PM   #75
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This is RIDONCULOUS!! Here in Australia, you have to fork out at least $200,000 for this car. You guys have it lucky with such a strong bulk purchasing power from the economy. For the same price I'm stuck with a 1 series coupe D:
Hei mate, same case in malaysia where we will have to fork out usd 250k. But i feel tat there will be a significant numbers on d road in d future.
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In terms of direct competitors I believe it is as follows:

A3/1 Series

A4/3 Series/C Sedan

A5/4 Series/C Coupe

A5 Sport Back/4 Series GC

A6/5 Series/E Class

A7/6 Series GC/CLS Class

A8/7 Series/S Class

8 Series/CL Class

TT/Z4/SLK

In terms of the 6 series coupe im not sure where that would fit in

To me it makes absolutely no sense to why BMW would offer the 6GC at such a subtantial mark up compared to its competitors. It seems as if BMW has become increasingly overpriced over the last couple of years. If you compare each of their models to its direct competitor BMW always ends up being the most expensive of the bunch.
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      02-22-2012, 09:43 PM   #77
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I think the 6 series coupe moved upclass to the Merc CL. Where do you suppose the E Class Coupe fits into your chart ?
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I wouldn't even think about buying this car without the V8.
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I think the 6 series coupe moved upclass to the Merc CL. Where do you suppose the E Class Coupe fits into your chart ?
Considering price. The new 6-series slots right between the E-class coupe and CL.

No question I would cross shop the E-coupe and 6-series. Don't really care what chassis either car is built on. The E-coupe offers every electronic and comfort gadget you would want. I personally think the E-coupe is sexy as hell. You can get into a twin-turbo V8 for much less than the 6-cylinder 6-series.
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Packed with lots of options like... cup holders, leather seats, floor mats, and ambient lighting!! As standard!?!!?!?! When did they become so generous. haha lol
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      02-22-2012, 11:07 PM   #81
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Hmmm, I think the upcoming 4 series will be more suited to compete with the A5 and E Class Coupe due to size, much closer in price,(based on projected prices from outgoing 3 series coupe) price and performance. An equally equipped 6 series is very close to Merc CL in price, not to mention size, awd, limited back seat(both) and there's no AMG E Class Coupe.
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Also, I didn't cross shop the E Class Coupe against the 6 series. I did however look long and hard at the CL 550 though.
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In terms of direct competitors I believe it is as follows:

A3/1 Series

A4/3 Series/C Sedan

A5/4 Series/C Coupe

A5 Sport Back/4 Series GC

A6/5 Series/E Class

A7/6 Series GC/CLS Class

A8/7 Series/S Class

8 Series/CL Class

TT/Z4/SLK

In terms of the 6 series coupe im not sure where that would fit in

To me it makes absolutely no sense to why BMW would offer the 6GC at such a subtantial mark up compared to its competitors. It seems as if BMW has become increasingly overpriced over the last couple of years. If you compare each of their models to its direct competitor BMW always ends up being the most expensive of the bunch.
You missed E-class coupe.....
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You missed E-class coupe.....
Well the E Class coupe replaced the CLK Class which was a direct competitor to the 3 Series coupe. Now that they released a C Class coupe the E class coupe doesnt really have a spot it fits into IMO.
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In terms of direct competitors I believe it is as follows:

A3/1 Series

A4/3 Series/C Sedan

A5/4 Series/C Coupe

A5 Sport Back/4 Series GC

A6/5 Series/E Class

A7/6 Series GC/CLS Class

A8/7 Series/S Class

8 Series/CL Class

TT/Z4/SLK

In terms of the 6 series coupe im not sure where that would fit in

To me it makes absolutely no sense to why BMW would offer the 6GC at such a subtantial mark up compared to its competitors. It seems as if BMW has become increasingly overpriced over the last couple of years. If you compare each of their models to its direct competitor BMW always ends up being the most expensive of the bunch.
I agree with those comparisons, but...

As a leader these days within the premium segment, BMW can charge premium for their products, more so than the competition imo.
Since the cars coming from BMW pretty much sets the bar these days, coming out on top in any test they participate in.
The sales figures speak it's own language as well.

So put the A7, CLS the GC and Panamera next to each other, the GC and Panamera is going to be the first choice, not so for the CLS and A7 imo.
Older and uglier, and let's face it, the GC and Panamera is much more premium.
If money is your object, buy a Hyundai or some other garbage.
The 6 GC is probably the most sensible car BMW have relased within the last decade imo.
Giving the brand more premium and money in.
They need to earn more bucks for each car, VAG have a bigger volume, and Benz more premium models, that's about to change, and the 6 GC is a hell of a start imo.
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I dont know that I agree with this. I think all of these cars (A7, CLS, 6er GC, Panamera, and yes, even the CL, S class, 7 Series, 6 Series, etc) after all, is this new "4+1" segment anything other than a cross-breed of a big coupe (CL/6er) and a big sedan in much the same way the "crossover SUV" emerged over the past decade? The bottom line is buyers are going to cross-shop all of these cars and decide what makes the most sense for them based on what they want to spend and how much performance, utility and luxury they want.

The CLS is only ~ $4k less, do you really think that is a meaningful sum at this price point? Also, as much as BMW options are, Benz options are even more (and of course Porsche options make all of the other German cars option costs look like chump change) and I would be a comparably equipped car is even closer than a $4k difference.

While the A7 undercuts the CLS and 6er GC by a large margin, I would say that is more aggressive pricing by Audi, and I believe it is a bit smaller inside, but I still think it is the same class.

So I think what you really have is a spectrum of "4+1" offerings and although they ultimately will have very different buyers, each of them clearly has all of the other "4+1"s squarely in their cross hairs.
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Everythgin looks great exceot that back end.

I sure hope the M sport package in the 3 series is less than in the 640i
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