Are We at War with Islam?

[UncleWede]

*I* want a monkey ;(

[hks786]

Originally Posted by mantisG35

but that vid does not prove jesus does not exist. It tells that there possible are myths about details and stories around him.

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It doesnt prove Jesus didnt exist. Even the fact that people like Horus have similarities doesnt prove Jesus didnt exist. Perhaps there was a prophecy of the coming of Jesus and people added into it many lies and twisted it so they could claim to be "Jesus". If you think about it, it makes sense.

Infact, let's recall when Prophet Moses (AS) prophecised to the Jews about the coming of the Holy Propht Muhammed (SAW). He told them he will be born in Arabia, so the Jews thought if they moved to Arabia he would be born among the Jews! However, Allah made the Holy Prophet (SAW) born as an arab and this angered Jews so they rejected him and plotted against him his whole life.

Infact, I also recall this Hadith:

The Prophet Mohammed (SAW) said, "While the angels talk amidst the clouds about things that are going to happen on earth, the devils hear a word of what they say and pour it in the ears of a soothsayer as one pours something in a bottle, and they add one hundred lies to that (one word)."

Anyway, back to the video. Perhaps things like the virgin birth were prophecised but people like Horus claimed this and added many lies into the prophecy! Then other people developed on this maybe. It explains why there are just far too many similarities between all these "figures" as explained in the video. The video also explains the cross, the halo that Christians put around Jesus' head etc. Maybe the REAL prophecy said people will try to crucify him, I dont know. The point is that the video does not disprove Islam in any way. You must also see that Islam does not claim divinity for Jesus like all these other figures, nor does Islam create any physical image of what Jesus looked like. May peace and blessings be upon him always and his true life be shown to people.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by mantisG35

Yes all this is very interesting. It always caught my attention that Buddha, indian gods, Jesus, and idols/gods from varying cultures always have a circle behind their heads. It always struck me as interesting.

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[FloridaBoy]

Here is an entire website written by ex-Muslims, this may shed some light for any Muslim who desires to leave the terrible teachings and violent culture of Islam, I encourage you all to read these links, and I pray you see the light of God's salvation, peace.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/testimonials.htm

and a much more reliable path to heaven:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/howtobesaved.htm

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

Here is an entire website written by ex-Muslims, this may shed some light for any Muslim who desires to leave the terrible teachings and violent culture of Islam, I encourage you all to read these links, and I pray you see the light of God's salvation, peace.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/testimonials.htm

and a much more reliable path to heaven:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/howtobesaved.htm

that's a very good way to talk to people. I like that. Is that the christian way to talk? i dont think so. dont give your religion a bad reputation

[FloridaBoy]

Actually, that is what the former Muslims are saying!
And another site written by ex-Muslims here:
http://islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm
http://islam-watch.org/index.html

and another great site dedicated to providing Muslims with hope:
http://www.muslimhope.com/

[Max_!]

>>leave the terrible teachings and violent culture of Islam
> Is that the christian way to talk?

Yes, you're a muslim, you should already know this about christians.

But then all religion is vile and rotten to the core since it authorizes followers to do anything they want through interpretation of scripture.

"Yes, we can murder the men, women and children in that village because they are heathens. Look, God says so right here."

Luckily, most devote followers of a religion bear it's mark, so it's generally quite easy to discriminate one from the other from a distance.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

Here is an entire website written by ex-Muslims, this may shed some light for any Muslim who desires to leave the terrible teachings and violent culture of Islam, I encourage you all to read these links, and I pray you see the light of God's salvation, peace.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/testimonials.htm

and a much more reliable path to heaven:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/howtobesaved.htm

Since you posted this in two threads ignoring what other people ask you and put forward to you, I'll just give you the link to my reply from the other thread:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...43#post1279643

and for your convenience I'll paste it too:

Originally Posted by hks786

Wow, thanks for that, you just completely ignored what I said. But then again, it's not the first time you have done that and other people have complained. I'm not even going to look at what you showed me for 2 reasons:

1. You ignored me completely and failed to address any points/questions raised.

2. For every website you show me about muslims converting to christianity, I could show you a 1000 more about christians converting to christianity. Think Yusuf Estes, Dr. Bilal Philips and thousands more!

Anyway, thanks for showing your true colours. When people raise misconceptions about Islam, I usually try to answer them to the best of my knowledge OR go research it since I am still young and a learning muslim. That said, I do know my religion very well. However, I gave you an opportunity to explain something and you ignored it twice!

I also noticed you didnt reply to Enfield's post about the video. I was busy but at least I replied. You didnt. Instead you just posted this same post I am replying to at the moment!

[FloridaBoy]

I already told you I am not here to argue. The Holy Bible teaches us that only fools argue and I do not want to offend anyone. The fact is; my posts are not even directed at any one person in particular, but if others are going to attack the diety of Christ and the sacrifice of God's Only Begotten Son and the things Christians believe, then I am certainly entitled to present an opposing viewpoint.

I am merely giving others an opportunity to hear another view of Islam. Sometimes the best way to reach Muslims is by presenting the views of former Muslims. All Muslims deserve to know the truth about the culture of hate and intolerance that runs hand in hand with Islam; if they want to leave Islam that is THEIR CHOICE, no matter what their family or the Taliban or anyone else thinks. All Muslims deserve the freedom and love that Jesus promises. All deserve the chance to hear the message of God's great love for them. I am merely shining the light from the top of the hill. Peace.

More testimonies from former Muslims:
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/index.html
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/T...ies/index.html

The problem with intolerance:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...inst_chri.html

[hks786]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

I already told you I am not here to argue. The Holy Bible teaches us that only fools argue and I do not want to offend anyone. The fact is; my posts are not even directed at any one person in particular, but if others are going to attack the diety of Christ and the sacrifice of God's Only Begotten Son and the things Christians believe, then I am certainly entitled to present an opposing viewpoint.

I am merely giving others an opportunity to hear another view of Islam. Sometimes the best way to reach Muslims is by presenting the views of former Muslims. All Muslims deserve to know the truth about the culture of hate and intolerance that runs hand in hand with Islam; if they want to leave Islam that is THEIR CHOICE, no matter what their family or the Taliban or anyone else thinks. All Muslims deserve the freedom and love that Jesus promises. All deserve the chance to hear the message of God's great love for them. I am merely shining the light from the top of the hill. Peace.

More testimonies from former Muslims:
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/index.html
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/T...ies/index.html

The problem with intolerance:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...inst_chri.html

You dont want to offend anyone? my friend, whenever anyone presents information or an arguement you insult them by saying they are "confused" etc! I always say things in an appropriate manner. Ask UncleWede how many times I tell him that I say things with respect. Just because someone is making a point that goes against your beliefs, that doesnt mean we are being disrespectful.

Also, I'm not here to argue senslessly. I am only here to have a friendly dialogue between the many faiths of the world. I was merely asking you questions that I want to have answers to and you have STILL failed to answer! Many users have complained about you because you dont reply to people's questions. Why dont you comment about Enfields video? I mean, it is mostly directed towards Christianity.

You then go on to say: "I am merely giving others an opportunity to hear another view of Islam." This is my point. You are merely showing people what you want them to know. When I point out flaws in Christianity, I always mention what I agree with and what I think is the truth in Christianity. However, you point Islam out to be violent in every way which is not true.

Also, you said "All Muslims deserve to know the truth about the culture of hate and intolerance that runs hand in hand with Islam". You are so misleading because culture is different from religion. People use religion to justify disgusting cultures. People like you then use this to argue that Islam is falsehood and evil in every way.

Then you decide to STILL show what ex-muslims say about Islam. Didnt you hear what I said? I could show you so much about people going from Christianity to Islam. But it is beside the point. I study the faiths themselves, but you always study the PEOPLE following the faiths. That's why me and you are so different.

[ZGirl07]

Wow some people are dense.

[UncleWede]

Nothing but respect from HKS in the past, and I try to return the favor. It's been pleasant to examine my own faith thru the eyes of another. I haven't changed my faith just refreshing to see it from another angle.

[FloridaBoy]

Here's another angle for you:
Muslim cartoon fury claims lives
At least five people have been killed in Afghanistan as protests against European cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad swept across the country...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm

[FloridaBoy]

Originally Posted by ZGirl4U

Wow some people are dense.

I agree ZGirl4U! And watch out, Islam is bad news for women, even in America, read this entire article it's an eye opener:

Radical Islam Threatens the Freedoms of American Women
By Carol A. Taber
Muslim groups are now petitioning U.S. courts to allow the establishment of Muslim enclaves in the United States that will live under shar-ia law, the most hostile law in the world insofar as women's rights are concerned.
http://www.aim.org/guest_column/A5001_0_6_0_C/

[ZGirl07]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

I agree ZGirl4U! And watch out, Islam is bad news for women, even in America, read this entire article it's an eye opener:

Radical Islam Threatens the Freedoms of American Women
By Carol A. Taber
Muslim groups are now petitioning U.S. courts to allow the establishment of Muslim enclaves in the United States that will live under shar-ia law, the most hostile law in the world insofar as women's rights are concerned.
http://www.aim.org/guest_column/A5001_0_6_0_C/

I dont need links. Im 100% Palestinian Muslim. I have rights. Singling out certain countries does not account for a mass of them. Anything done is done for their protection for the most part and not to oppress. Can people take things out of context? Of course but it doesnt mean its the masses.

[FloridaBoy]

Originally Posted by ZGirl4U

I dont need links. Im 100% Palestinian Muslim. I have rights. Singling out certain countries does not account for a mass of them. Anything done is done for their protection for the most part and not to oppress. Can people take things out of context? Of course but it doesnt mean its the masses.

I hope you're right but...
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html

[ZGirl07]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

I hope you're right but...
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html

"Access to this web page is restricted at this time.

Reason:
The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered."



No thanks. I dont need to read about who I am. I already know.


Youll never understand, as much as you read, youll never get it. Dont bother.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

Here's another angle for you:
Muslim cartoon fury claims lives
At least five people have been killed in Afghanistan as protests against European cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad swept across the country...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm

This is exactly what I am talking about. You are AGAIN looking at people and not the religion itself! You can never understand anyway. Christians make all sorts of images about Jesus etc. even though they claim to be his true followers. We love Prophet Jesus (AS) enough to not make images of him or any prophet or Allah himself!

Let's not forget that this is not just a cartoon. It was a complete attack on our Holy Prophet (SAW) and would never be appreciated by muslims! I myself would never murder over it, but I would instead seek justice. That said, I feel very angry about it. How disgusting...

Anyway, back to the point. Just because some muslims take law into their own hands, does it detract anything from Islam itself? No it does not.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by FloridaBoy

I hope you're right but...
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html

I took a glance at this and already I can tell you that all these wild claims have been refuted for many years. It just shows that when people bring such cheap attacks against the name of Islam, they are always easily explained and Islam is shown as the truth...

[hks786]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Nothing but respect from HKS in the past, and I try to return the favor. It's been pleasant to examine my own faith thru the eyes of another. I haven't changed my faith just refreshing to see it from another angle.

Thanks bro. We might never agree on religion but I think treating eachother with respect is always the best option...

[UncleWede]

plus, now I know a little bit more about "the enemy" Thank you! I hate being an under-informed bigot.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

plus, now I know a little bit more about "the enemy" Thank you! I hate being an under-informed bigot.

No probs I just wish the rest of the muslim world would sit down and explain our faith. The things people do in the name of Islam...